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What is the superior choice among these two laptops?

What is the superior choice among these two laptops?

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Babu84700
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10-09-2016, 09:45 PM
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I discovered that the integrated graphics with the Ryzen 5 4500U processor are referred to as an APU (Accelerated Processing Unit), which uses the system's RAM as VRAM. This led me to mix up two different laptops. One features an i5-1135G7 processor with built-in Iris Xe graphics and the Nvidia MX350, paired with 2 GB of system RAM, 8 GB DDR4 memory, and a 256 GB SSD. The other has the Ryzen 5 4500U with AMD Radeon Graphics, 8 GB of system RAM, 512 GB SSD, and a full aluminum body for improved build quality. If I upgrade the second laptop's RAM to 16 GB (combining both types), will it outperform the first one? Since the AMD Radeon Graphics uses the extra VRAM, could that still make it better despite being an APU?

P.S.- The prices of both laptops are almost identical after the RAM upgrade in the second model.
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Babu84700
10-09-2016, 09:45 PM #1

I discovered that the integrated graphics with the Ryzen 5 4500U processor are referred to as an APU (Accelerated Processing Unit), which uses the system's RAM as VRAM. This led me to mix up two different laptops. One features an i5-1135G7 processor with built-in Iris Xe graphics and the Nvidia MX350, paired with 2 GB of system RAM, 8 GB DDR4 memory, and a 256 GB SSD. The other has the Ryzen 5 4500U with AMD Radeon Graphics, 8 GB of system RAM, 512 GB SSD, and a full aluminum body for improved build quality. If I upgrade the second laptop's RAM to 16 GB (combining both types), will it outperform the first one? Since the AMD Radeon Graphics uses the extra VRAM, could that still make it better despite being an APU?

P.S.- The prices of both laptops are almost identical after the RAM upgrade in the second model.

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VickiRainbow
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10-15-2016, 06:13 PM
#2
It's definitely improved, especially if you upgrade the RAM (3200mhz is likely the max) and enable dual channel, the APU should function better. However, it won't reach the MX350 level. I think the MX350 uses the same chip as the GTX 1050 (GP107), so just need to add another 8GB. That's the solution.
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VickiRainbow
10-15-2016, 06:13 PM #2

It's definitely improved, especially if you upgrade the RAM (3200mhz is likely the max) and enable dual channel, the APU should function better. However, it won't reach the MX350 level. I think the MX350 uses the same chip as the GTX 1050 (GP107), so just need to add another 8GB. That's the solution.

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Frigiel21
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10-17-2016, 12:11 PM
#3
The upgrade to 16 GB dual-channel RAM in the Intel platform enhances performance. However, comparing it directly to the AMD Radeon with 2 GB is misleading since their architectures and use cases differ significantly.
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Frigiel21
10-17-2016, 12:11 PM #3

The upgrade to 16 GB dual-channel RAM in the Intel platform enhances performance. However, comparing it directly to the AMD Radeon with 2 GB is misleading since their architectures and use cases differ significantly.

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kitnn
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10-20-2016, 11:37 PM
#4
is the mx350 2gb using gdd5? if yes, then amd apus become outdated compared to i5 plus mx350. radeon graphics can boost performance beyond standard single channel, though not as much as the mx350 because it uses dedicated vrams. keep in mind, a 3200mhz dual channel dual pumped setup isn't as fast as gdd5 quad pumped (3200mhz DDR vs gdd5 which is quad pumped, better for gpus).
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kitnn
10-20-2016, 11:37 PM #4

is the mx350 2gb using gdd5? if yes, then amd apus become outdated compared to i5 plus mx350. radeon graphics can boost performance beyond standard single channel, though not as much as the mx350 because it uses dedicated vrams. keep in mind, a 3200mhz dual channel dual pumped setup isn't as fast as gdd5 quad pumped (3200mhz DDR vs gdd5 which is quad pumped, better for gpus).

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Th3G4merX
Senior Member
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10-20-2016, 11:56 PM
#5
These are the laptops I discussed.
https://itti.com.np/acer-aspire-5-price-...raphic-ssd
MSI Modern 15 A4SX Ryzen 5 4500U / AMD Radeon Graphics / 8GB RAM / 512GB SSD / 15.6" FHD Display
MSI Modern 15 A4SX with 4000-series AMD Ryzen 5 4500U processor, AMD Radeon Graphics, 8GB DDR4 RAM (expandable to 64GB), 512GB SSD storage, 15.6-inch IPS display, Full-HD (1920 x 1080 pixels) resolution, 4-cell 52Whr battery, 1.6KG weight, 16.9mm thickness, BT Webcam WIN10 MSI Modern laptops...
itti.com.np
Consider this option. Which would you pick if both were upgraded with an extra 8GB of system RAM?
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Th3G4merX
10-20-2016, 11:56 PM #5

These are the laptops I discussed.
https://itti.com.np/acer-aspire-5-price-...raphic-ssd
MSI Modern 15 A4SX Ryzen 5 4500U / AMD Radeon Graphics / 8GB RAM / 512GB SSD / 15.6" FHD Display
MSI Modern 15 A4SX with 4000-series AMD Ryzen 5 4500U processor, AMD Radeon Graphics, 8GB DDR4 RAM (expandable to 64GB), 512GB SSD storage, 15.6-inch IPS display, Full-HD (1920 x 1080 pixels) resolution, 4-cell 52Whr battery, 1.6KG weight, 16.9mm thickness, BT Webcam WIN10 MSI Modern laptops...
itti.com.np
Consider this option. Which would you pick if both were upgraded with an extra 8GB of system RAM?

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Sui6663
Junior Member
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11-05-2016, 01:04 PM
#6
I'm confident in my claim. If you're interested, check out the comparisons on YouTube between the i5 + MX350 and the 4500U for a clearer idea of their differences.
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Sui6663
11-05-2016, 01:04 PM #6

I'm confident in my claim. If you're interested, check out the comparisons on YouTube between the i5 + MX350 and the 4500U for a clearer idea of their differences.

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xXGoku997Xx
Junior Member
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11-16-2016, 03:28 AM
#7
What is the intended use of this laptop? If it's meant for everyday desktop tasks or video playback, then the graphics part won't affect performance. For gaming, however, the graphics quality becomes crucial. The passmark rating for the 4500U is 1819, while the MX350 scores 2897. Generally, a solid SSD is necessary, and you should choose one that fits your requirements. It's often more cost-effective to purchase a laptop with a smaller HDD and upgrade it to an SSD yourself. Likewise, select the amount of RAM you actually need. Focus less on RAM speeds, as they have minimal impact. You might find it cheaper to upgrade the RAM yourself.
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xXGoku997Xx
11-16-2016, 03:28 AM #7

What is the intended use of this laptop? If it's meant for everyday desktop tasks or video playback, then the graphics part won't affect performance. For gaming, however, the graphics quality becomes crucial. The passmark rating for the 4500U is 1819, while the MX350 scores 2897. Generally, a solid SSD is necessary, and you should choose one that fits your requirements. It's often more cost-effective to purchase a laptop with a smaller HDD and upgrade it to an SSD yourself. Likewise, select the amount of RAM you actually need. Focus less on RAM speeds, as they have minimal impact. You might find it cheaper to upgrade the RAM yourself.

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_NeoBl0X_
Senior Member
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11-16-2016, 10:40 PM
#8
The goal is mainly for CPU-heavy engineering work. Therefore, Ryzen would handle multi-core tasks better. It would also suffice for gaming occasionally. From an economic standpoint, the Ryzen offers more value compared to other options even after upgrading RAM. What would you pick if you had to decide?
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_NeoBl0X_
11-16-2016, 10:40 PM #8

The goal is mainly for CPU-heavy engineering work. Therefore, Ryzen would handle multi-core tasks better. It would also suffice for gaming occasionally. From an economic standpoint, the Ryzen offers more value compared to other options even after upgrading RAM. What would you pick if you had to decide?

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hk007sunny
Junior Member
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11-17-2016, 06:46 PM
#9
That's the solution. You didn't specify a need for high CPU usage. Instead, consider models with Ryzen 5 5500U, which offers multi-threaded performance similar to 4500U but adjusted slightly.
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hk007sunny
11-17-2016, 06:46 PM #9

That's the solution. You didn't specify a need for high CPU usage. Instead, consider models with Ryzen 5 5500U, which offers multi-threaded performance similar to 4500U but adjusted slightly.

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captainalpha9
Member
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11-18-2016, 03:07 AM
#10
Both models share more similarities than differences.
The 1135g7 features 8 threads with a passmark of 10072, which means all threads are operating at full capacity—a rare situation.
Several operations rely heavily on single-thread speed, with a rating of 2733.
In contrast, the 4500U has 6 threads and a rating of 11220/2469.
I think it’s best to choose the 1135g7 for its single-thread performance.
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captainalpha9
11-18-2016, 03:07 AM #10

Both models share more similarities than differences.
The 1135g7 features 8 threads with a passmark of 10072, which means all threads are operating at full capacity—a rare situation.
Several operations rely heavily on single-thread speed, with a rating of 2733.
In contrast, the 4500U has 6 threads and a rating of 11220/2469.
I think it’s best to choose the 1135g7 for its single-thread performance.

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