Zen 5 3D V-Cache could be a strong long-term strategy for AMD.
Zen 5 3D V-Cache could be a strong long-term strategy for AMD.
It's understood that the 9700X receives less overall boost due to power constraints. Utilizing PBO enables it to compete with the 7700X in all-core performance, offering a solid gain for such tasks. Additionally, the X3D chips operate at lower clock speeds mainly because of thermal management. Since the V-Cache is positioned above the CCD, heat from the cores must pass through extra insulation. It appears that higher clock speeds on the 9800X3D may result from improved thermal efficiency compared to the 9700X. With reduced heat generation at equivalent speeds, these chips can potentially run faster before thermal issues arise.
others believe zen 5 fell short, yet as someone working on small custom builds like optimum tech, this was a major milestone. the r7 9700x didn’t require much power for that level of heat output.
The Ryzen 7 7700 has been on the market for over a year and a half. It matches its power use and delivers performance close to 10% better than the 9700X while starting at a lower price ($330 MSRP) and now dropping to $280. The 9700X might not be enough to make you choose it, so why consider the 7700?
Look, you simply need to understand that Ryzen 9000 is a SMALL improvement over Ryzen 7000. If you set them at the same power limits it's roughly 10% better or even a bit less sometimes. It's no massive jump, but it is a legitimate improvement. As for X3D chips, they don't generally get impacted much by clock speed increases. The 5700x3d is quite a bit lower clocked than the 5800x3d on the same process and it's not massively slower by any means. The 9800x3d will presumably be a few percent better than the 7800x3d if given the same power budget just like the 9700x vs the 7700 and frankly that's all AMD needs to do. Enabling overclocking on the X3d chips or pushing the power higher might have been on the table at one point, but I highly doubt it is now. There's simply no reason to push the power limits and enable overclocking when Intel is struggling so badly. There is going to be room left on the table because there's just no reason to push limits when you don't have relevant competition. Pricing will also probably be kind of junk, AMD is really only competing against themselves right now.
In non-gaming contexts, the 9700x provides more than 20% improvement (AVX-512 tasks see double the performance) compared to the 7700 at identical power usage. Not everyone focuses solely on gaming.
AM5 serves merely as a connector. The Zen5 design represents a substantial leap forward, which has somewhat disappointed some individuals.
It's the same design, just slower performance... you don't get a fresh "gen" every few months. Stop relying on Coolaid, okay? Yes, they're chasing the idea that a new generation exists just because the maker says so. The reality is AMD is still struggling, trying to capitalize on Intel's current issues with new CPUs, but there are no real improvements.
They disagree, but according to HUB and others, the result is consistent. Same power, better performance. Or identical performance with reduced power. Clearly an upgrade. It seems you anticipated higher performance and lower power, but the baseline numbers match. I checked it through my Advanced AI model, which confirmed it. People will likely continue debating the differences, but the figures remain unchanged.