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Do you truly require an AI PC?

Do you truly require an AI PC?

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Loker0
Junior Member
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12-01-2023, 07:50 PM
#1
Hi there
the cheapest Core Ultra model is 245k and costs about 300$.
a budget Wi-Fi mobile is the B860, around 180$.
still I can get a 14400+h610ma WiFi for 130$ plus 88$, or a decent B660 without WiFi.
i’m thinking if it makes sense to choose the first option. Do I miss something important without a 15th gen AI? Does it really matter?
my usage is mostly casual gaming a few times a year and normal Windows tasks.
anyone know where Ultra 3 205 is available? No recent updates about a CPU mention.
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Loker0
12-01-2023, 07:50 PM #1

Hi there
the cheapest Core Ultra model is 245k and costs about 300$.
a budget Wi-Fi mobile is the B860, around 180$.
still I can get a 14400+h610ma WiFi for 130$ plus 88$, or a decent B660 without WiFi.
i’m thinking if it makes sense to choose the first option. Do I miss something important without a 15th gen AI? Does it really matter?
my usage is mostly casual gaming a few times a year and normal Windows tasks.
anyone know where Ultra 3 205 is available? No recent updates about a CPU mention.

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iiSweeTzz
Posting Freak
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12-13-2023, 06:12 PM
#2
I mention gaming at a specific resolution here. Which games are you talking about? I mostly play casually a few times a year and also handle regular Windows tasks.
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iiSweeTzz
12-13-2023, 06:12 PM #2

I mention gaming at a specific resolution here. Which games are you talking about? I mostly play casually a few times a year and also handle regular Windows tasks.

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Sqwalish
Member
155
12-13-2023, 07:36 PM
#3
eSports content such as CS2 and dota 2...
most recent games I installed include Hogwarts Legacy and RDR2.
my monitor is 4K, but I often switch it to fhd in games or use 4K with FSRC+Fg.
i also use the RCPS3 emulator.
i didn’t mention that I have a 16GB 3200MHz (2*8) RAM available. if i upgrade to a 15th gen, i should consider buying new RAM.
i searched about the impact of AI in everyday use, but the results are unclear... just says it improves cpu and gpu...
anyone know where Ultra 3 205 is? no updates mention anything about cpu.
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Sqwalish
12-13-2023, 07:36 PM #3

eSports content such as CS2 and dota 2...
most recent games I installed include Hogwarts Legacy and RDR2.
my monitor is 4K, but I often switch it to fhd in games or use 4K with FSRC+Fg.
i also use the RCPS3 emulator.
i didn’t mention that I have a 16GB 3200MHz (2*8) RAM available. if i upgrade to a 15th gen, i should consider buying new RAM.
i searched about the impact of AI in everyday use, but the results are unclear... just says it improves cpu and gpu...
anyone know where Ultra 3 205 is? no updates mention anything about cpu.

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cookiedough909
Posting Freak
782
12-13-2023, 11:04 PM
#4
Intel seems unlikely to focus on low-end Arrow Lake chips right now. Sales are weak initially, though there are discussions about an Arrow Lake refresh, limited to K-class components for enthusiasts.
I’d probably opt for a Ryzen 7600 or 7700X these days.
If AI is integrated into games, it’s more likely to be handled by the GPU rather than a dedicated NPU. You can also run many AI applications on a GPU now, or rely on existing online services. Unless you’re keen on using current NPU-based AI tools, it probably isn’t worth considering too much. In a few years, local AI/NPU solutions or online options should have matured.
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cookiedough909
12-13-2023, 11:04 PM #4

Intel seems unlikely to focus on low-end Arrow Lake chips right now. Sales are weak initially, though there are discussions about an Arrow Lake refresh, limited to K-class components for enthusiasts.
I’d probably opt for a Ryzen 7600 or 7700X these days.
If AI is integrated into games, it’s more likely to be handled by the GPU rather than a dedicated NPU. You can also run many AI applications on a GPU now, or rely on existing online services. Unless you’re keen on using current NPU-based AI tools, it probably isn’t worth considering too much. In a few years, local AI/NPU solutions or online options should have matured.

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ZeusTrucker
Member
221
12-14-2023, 06:22 AM
#5
I don't remember hearing much about a Core Ultra i3. The lowest ultra model available for sale is the ultra 5 225, which costs around 246 on Newegg. It offers single-thread performance between the 14600K and 14700K lines. Prices for the 14600K are near 215, while the 14700K is about 345.
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ZeusTrucker
12-14-2023, 06:22 AM #5

I don't remember hearing much about a Core Ultra i3. The lowest ultra model available for sale is the ultra 5 225, which costs around 246 on Newegg. It offers single-thread performance between the 14600K and 14700K lines. Prices for the 14600K are near 215, while the 14700K is about 345.

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Rosario17_
Posting Freak
897
12-26-2023, 09:42 PM
#6
This is the top value for an intel platform upgrade currently available. Arrow Lake CPUs perform less well in gaming compared to previous intel models. This guide is useful if you're considering a platform upgrade.

PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: Intel Core i5-14600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor
Price: $208.00 (Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM
Price: $35.90 (Amazon)
Motherboard: NZXT N7 Z790 ATX LGA1700
Price: $119.99 (NZXT)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32
Price: $74.99 (Newegg)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME SSD
Price: $129.99 (Amazon)
Total: $568.87
Shipping, taxes, and available discounts are included
Created by PCPartPicker
2025-04-07 12:06 EDT-0400
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Rosario17_
12-26-2023, 09:42 PM #6

This is the top value for an intel platform upgrade currently available. Arrow Lake CPUs perform less well in gaming compared to previous intel models. This guide is useful if you're considering a platform upgrade.

PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: Intel Core i5-14600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor
Price: $208.00 (Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM
Price: $35.90 (Amazon)
Motherboard: NZXT N7 Z790 ATX LGA1700
Price: $119.99 (NZXT)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32
Price: $74.99 (Newegg)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME SSD
Price: $129.99 (Amazon)
Total: $568.87
Shipping, taxes, and available discounts are included
Created by PCPartPicker
2025-04-07 12:06 EDT-0400

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LeCuriousFox
Member
227
12-29-2023, 04:07 AM
#7
Thanks, that was quite useful.
I also considered AMD, like the Ryzen 5 8400 or 8500.
Maybe I should look into their prices too. At least AM5 isn’t dead yet, right around 1700?
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LeCuriousFox
12-29-2023, 04:07 AM #7

Thanks, that was quite useful.
I also considered AMD, like the Ryzen 5 8400 or 8500.
Maybe I should look into their prices too. At least AM5 isn’t dead yet, right around 1700?

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TempLate_YT
Senior Member
424
12-29-2023, 08:27 AM
#8
i tend to choose options under $200 for the cpu.
i really don't require high power or heavy gaming.
currently i'm using an intel 6100 and because it's a dual core with some compatibility issues on windows 11, i considered upgrading.
for those wondering how i played hogwarts legacy, it wasn't on this machine. i just meant my usual gaming habits.
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TempLate_YT
12-29-2023, 08:27 AM #8

i tend to choose options under $200 for the cpu.
i really don't require high power or heavy gaming.
currently i'm using an intel 6100 and because it's a dual core with some compatibility issues on windows 11, i considered upgrading.
for those wondering how i played hogwarts legacy, it wasn't on this machine. i just meant my usual gaming habits.

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jerrydog01
Senior Member
703
12-29-2023, 09:41 AM
#9
the list is really great. but currently i shared some components. such as an above average cooler, a solid 650w psu, and two nvme gen 3 drives. i think now is the right moment to switch to amd, because ai isn't that helpful at the moment.
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jerrydog01
12-29-2023, 09:41 AM #9

the list is really great. but currently i shared some components. such as an above average cooler, a solid 650w psu, and two nvme gen 3 drives. i think now is the right moment to switch to amd, because ai isn't that helpful at the moment.

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iKindredNice
Member
61
12-29-2023, 10:23 AM
#10
8400 and 8500 belong to the same generation as the 7000 series, both using Zen 4. These are the monolithic chips featuring an onboard APU; the F versions lack the graphics but retain the same constraints. They offer only 8x PCIe lanes for extra graphics, which is ideal if you're limited to standard desktop GPUs. This means sacrificing some flexibility and expandability, yet providing a basic onboard graphics option. Standard 7000 series CPUs usually come with a modest 2CU graphics adapter, adequate for typical desktop use.
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iKindredNice
12-29-2023, 10:23 AM #10

8400 and 8500 belong to the same generation as the 7000 series, both using Zen 4. These are the monolithic chips featuring an onboard APU; the F versions lack the graphics but retain the same constraints. They offer only 8x PCIe lanes for extra graphics, which is ideal if you're limited to standard desktop GPUs. This means sacrificing some flexibility and expandability, yet providing a basic onboard graphics option. Standard 7000 series CPUs usually come with a modest 2CU graphics adapter, adequate for typical desktop use.

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