F5F Stay Refreshed Power Users Overclocking Creating a Custom Waterblock-Updated version

Creating a Custom Waterblock-Updated version

Creating a Custom Waterblock-Updated version

Pages (3): Previous 1 2 3 Next
4
404_chaos
Junior Member
1
02-13-2023, 04:31 PM
#11
I think Wick referred to both the internal and external aspects. Indeed, any polishing beyond 1000 grit is pointless since the TIM (especially components like AS5) can't reach the holes.
4
404_chaos
02-13-2023, 04:31 PM #11

I think Wick referred to both the internal and external aspects. Indeed, any polishing beyond 1000 grit is pointless since the TIM (especially components like AS5) can't reach the holes.

E
eTuV
Member
218
02-13-2023, 05:49 PM
#12
My worry about touching the heat sink surface was limited to the outer flat part that connects to the CPU. Inside the passages (where liquid moves) the main issue with a rough surface is a slight increase in pressure drop. But rough surfaces can help maintain turbulent flow at lower Reynolds numbers. Therefore, it might be advantageous to leave any internal passages with tool marks from milling.
E
eTuV
02-13-2023, 05:49 PM #12

My worry about touching the heat sink surface was limited to the outer flat part that connects to the CPU. Inside the passages (where liquid moves) the main issue with a rough surface is a slight increase in pressure drop. But rough surfaces can help maintain turbulent flow at lower Reynolds numbers. Therefore, it might be advantageous to leave any internal passages with tool marks from milling.

X
xId0
Member
59
02-25-2023, 02:31 PM
#13
Sample run of a square pin matrix (6x6) block with 4mm spacing between pins. Front view at 95 seconds shows low turbulence across most of the area. Flow rate was configured at 3 GPM (water), and the base material is copper.
X
xId0
02-25-2023, 02:31 PM #13

Sample run of a square pin matrix (6x6) block with 4mm spacing between pins. Front view at 95 seconds shows low turbulence across most of the area. Flow rate was configured at 3 GPM (water), and the base material is copper.

J
Jubacor
Junior Member
18
02-26-2023, 04:55 PM
#14
Even so, you surpass many others by creating your own block. I appreciate your effort in taking the DIY path and building your own solutions. That's great!
J
Jubacor
02-26-2023, 04:55 PM #14

Even so, you surpass many others by creating your own block. I appreciate your effort in taking the DIY path and building your own solutions. That's great!

X
226
02-27-2023, 01:44 AM
#15
I was somewhat inspired by Cather and this discussion: Because it's summer and I have limited activities, along with the Intel Science Fair and the Simens competition, I thought why not? I’d be able to gain some knowledge (useful later) and maybe even earn a little money (winning regional contests, etc.).
X
X_Impossible_X
02-27-2023, 01:44 AM #15

I was somewhat inspired by Cather and this discussion: Because it's summer and I have limited activities, along with the Intel Science Fair and the Simens competition, I thought why not? I’d be able to gain some knowledge (useful later) and maybe even earn a little money (winning regional contests, etc.).

D
DecroMcQuin
Member
52
02-28-2023, 04:08 PM
#16
I think Wick intended both the internal and external aspects. Indeed, any finishing above 1000 grit is unnecessary since the TIM (especially components like AS5) can't reach the gaps. For external areas such as IHS-waterblock, use Ceramique or T-C Grease 0099 from TIM Consultants, or even a standard white silicone paste. These products spread more evenly when crushed, ensuring most contact remains metal-to-metal rather than filled with TIM. With my application, both IHS and waterblock were lapped to 1200 grit; using Ceramique with just half the grain size removed almost eliminated excess paste, meaning less was needed overall. The ideal finish needs no TIM at all, which seems to be reserved for high-end laboratory equipment.

Thicker pastes like AS5 (or the extremely thick Diamond7) are best suited for unlapped surfaces intended for regular users and are difficult to apply thinly without applying intense pressure.

For your square pin matrix—whether milled or forged?—the surrounding design and cooling enclosure also affect turbulence. A good example is comparing Dtek FuZion v1 (my model) with v2. Dtek reduced the pin matrix height by nearly 2mm and made minor adjustments to the plastic chamber above it, resulting in increased turbulence (about 2C improvement on average with an OC'd quad) and slightly higher flow resistance.
D
DecroMcQuin
02-28-2023, 04:08 PM #16

I think Wick intended both the internal and external aspects. Indeed, any finishing above 1000 grit is unnecessary since the TIM (especially components like AS5) can't reach the gaps. For external areas such as IHS-waterblock, use Ceramique or T-C Grease 0099 from TIM Consultants, or even a standard white silicone paste. These products spread more evenly when crushed, ensuring most contact remains metal-to-metal rather than filled with TIM. With my application, both IHS and waterblock were lapped to 1200 grit; using Ceramique with just half the grain size removed almost eliminated excess paste, meaning less was needed overall. The ideal finish needs no TIM at all, which seems to be reserved for high-end laboratory equipment.

Thicker pastes like AS5 (or the extremely thick Diamond7) are best suited for unlapped surfaces intended for regular users and are difficult to apply thinly without applying intense pressure.

For your square pin matrix—whether milled or forged?—the surrounding design and cooling enclosure also affect turbulence. A good example is comparing Dtek FuZion v1 (my model) with v2. Dtek reduced the pin matrix height by nearly 2mm and made minor adjustments to the plastic chamber above it, resulting in increased turbulence (about 2C improvement on average with an OC'd quad) and slightly higher flow resistance.

N
NylodnewgPlaZ
Member
187
03-04-2023, 06:22 AM
#17
The eventual product will be milled using Copper C110, not forged, so I need to consider the constraints of CNC milling in the design. Thanks for the details about the TIM wuzy. The 6x6 square pin matrix was only simulated to establish a baseline for comparison. The simulation lasted about 95 seconds (~45 minutes in real time). I plan to conduct a longer test (10–30 minutes, which would be several hours) over the weekend. I have access to multiple PCs, allowing me to set up the fluid sim on those without installing Inventor (student license, no restrictions) plus Thermal Desktop (trial) on each one.

I intend to build a few prototype blocks like this:
Primarily to gain a clearer understanding of jets and similar aspects.
As the top will be a rapid prototype, from a design perspective, the possibilities are quite broad—compared to traditional methods like CNC milling or forging. I could potentially create complex designs (such as multiple flow channels within the top) that route water from the inlet to the Copper base and then out the outlet.
N
NylodnewgPlaZ
03-04-2023, 06:22 AM #17

The eventual product will be milled using Copper C110, not forged, so I need to consider the constraints of CNC milling in the design. Thanks for the details about the TIM wuzy. The 6x6 square pin matrix was only simulated to establish a baseline for comparison. The simulation lasted about 95 seconds (~45 minutes in real time). I plan to conduct a longer test (10–30 minutes, which would be several hours) over the weekend. I have access to multiple PCs, allowing me to set up the fluid sim on those without installing Inventor (student license, no restrictions) plus Thermal Desktop (trial) on each one.

I intend to build a few prototype blocks like this:
Primarily to gain a clearer understanding of jets and similar aspects.
As the top will be a rapid prototype, from a design perspective, the possibilities are quite broad—compared to traditional methods like CNC milling or forging. I could potentially create complex designs (such as multiple flow channels within the top) that route water from the inlet to the Copper base and then out the outlet.

R
rage2051
Member
109
03-04-2023, 11:39 AM
#18
Findings for a 9x6 matrix. Simulated duration: 10 minutes. The pink line illustrates water movement. The color variation indicates turbulence strength at 10 minutes.
R
rage2051
03-04-2023, 11:39 AM #18

Findings for a 9x6 matrix. Simulated duration: 10 minutes. The pink line illustrates water movement. The color variation indicates turbulence strength at 10 minutes.

X
XaiKo_
Junior Member
17
03-09-2023, 11:23 AM
#19
This inquiry checks if your inlets and outlets are included in the simulation. You described a layout similar to a CPU—center and corner placement, like GPU blocks. The prototype you mentioned resembles a diagonal crossflow design, with corners connecting. Regarding your suggestion, consider maintaining the central impingement pattern across the 2/4 core area, while enlarging those near the edges or lowering their height to improve flow after passing through the center to the outer sections of the block.
X
XaiKo_
03-09-2023, 11:23 AM #19

This inquiry checks if your inlets and outlets are included in the simulation. You described a layout similar to a CPU—center and corner placement, like GPU blocks. The prototype you mentioned resembles a diagonal crossflow design, with corners connecting. Regarding your suggestion, consider maintaining the central impingement pattern across the 2/4 core area, while enlarging those near the edges or lowering their height to improve flow after passing through the center to the outer sections of the block.

N
NooLele
Posting Freak
847
03-16-2023, 12:55 AM
#20
Absolutely, I'll make sure to get that across.
(Just kidding about the summer break—just trying to stay on schedule.)
N
NooLele
03-16-2023, 12:55 AM #20

Absolutely, I'll make sure to get that across.
(Just kidding about the summer break—just trying to stay on schedule.)

Pages (3): Previous 1 2 3 Next