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BROKENCAPSLOCK
Junior Member
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05-13-2022, 09:22 PM
#1
Currently you have a 13900KS experiencing wear. I’m considering returning it and hoping the replacement lasts, but I’m frustrated with Intel right now. I’m weighing a 9850x3d versus a 9800x3d, unsure if cache problems will arise with the 9850x3d capped at one CCD. Would you have any updates on whether the cache will be shared between both CCDs?
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BROKENCAPSLOCK
05-13-2022, 09:22 PM #1

Currently you have a 13900KS experiencing wear. I’m considering returning it and hoping the replacement lasts, but I’m frustrated with Intel right now. I’m weighing a 9850x3d versus a 9800x3d, unsure if cache problems will arise with the 9850x3d capped at one CCD. Would you have any updates on whether the cache will be shared between both CCDs?

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05-14-2022, 03:45 AM
#2
Moores law has been retired, as discussed in a recent live stream where AMD considered including it in their CCDs to avoid past problems. We should hold off on reactions until official assessments are complete, though the outlook remains encouraging.
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Cookie0verDose
05-14-2022, 03:45 AM #2

Moores law has been retired, as discussed in a recent live stream where AMD considered including it in their CCDs to avoid past problems. We should hold off on reactions until official assessments are complete, though the outlook remains encouraging.

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Futsal_xo
Member
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05-14-2022, 05:07 PM
#3
Is your use case both gaming and productivity? Those 3D cache cores barely give any advantage in productivity, maybe small, but if you're just on productivity then 9950x is all you need, and if you're just gaming, there's really not much reason to go 9950x3D when 9800x3D is already quite fast, sure it might get beaten by 9950x3D, but that doesn't mean 9800x3D automatically becomes obsolete, if you're gaming, cores aren't everything, even if all CCDs get cache, half the cores could still go to sleep and you would barely suffer any loss in performance, at least the one you'd actually notice...
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Futsal_xo
05-14-2022, 05:07 PM #3

Is your use case both gaming and productivity? Those 3D cache cores barely give any advantage in productivity, maybe small, but if you're just on productivity then 9950x is all you need, and if you're just gaming, there's really not much reason to go 9950x3D when 9800x3D is already quite fast, sure it might get beaten by 9950x3D, but that doesn't mean 9800x3D automatically becomes obsolete, if you're gaming, cores aren't everything, even if all CCDs get cache, half the cores could still go to sleep and you would barely suffer any loss in performance, at least the one you'd actually notice...

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Bartekdwarf
Posting Freak
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05-14-2022, 05:40 PM
#4
It occurs when the software ends up running on both devices at once.
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Bartekdwarf
05-14-2022, 05:40 PM #4

It occurs when the software ends up running on both devices at once.

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Tylercoco99
Member
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05-14-2022, 09:29 PM
#5
My system is 70% gaming, 30% workloads that require at least 8-10 cores. On the 13900KS with 40,000 Cinebench R23 points, it was plenty. 9800x3d sits at 23,000 points which in theory is still enough, but I might regret not waiting for the 9850x3d as it might be quite a bit more future proof. Downside of the 7850x3d would be that extra heat and power, besides the 3D cache. Tough choice
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Tylercoco99
05-14-2022, 09:29 PM #5

My system is 70% gaming, 30% workloads that require at least 8-10 cores. On the 13900KS with 40,000 Cinebench R23 points, it was plenty. 9800x3d sits at 23,000 points which in theory is still enough, but I might regret not waiting for the 9850x3d as it might be quite a bit more future proof. Downside of the 7850x3d would be that extra heat and power, besides the 3D cache. Tough choice

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chiefofdarknes
Junior Member
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05-15-2022, 04:50 AM
#6
Order your CPU via RMA. Switching platforms would cost a lot with minimal benefit. The 13900ks isn’t outdated or lagging behind newer models in gaming performance. Giving up on Intel isn’t worth spending nearly $1,000 on a CPU and board.
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chiefofdarknes
05-15-2022, 04:50 AM #6

Order your CPU via RMA. Switching platforms would cost a lot with minimal benefit. The 13900ks isn’t outdated or lagging behind newer models in gaming performance. Giving up on Intel isn’t worth spending nearly $1,000 on a CPU and board.

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WildCandy
Senior Member
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05-15-2022, 10:46 AM
#7
It's convenient to dispose of a CPU that can be returned for a refund. I plan to purchase it.
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WildCandy
05-15-2022, 10:46 AM #7

It's convenient to dispose of a CPU that can be returned for a refund. I plan to purchase it.

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UdoPlayz
Junior Member
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05-18-2022, 06:58 PM
#8
Its more complicated than that. It took me 3-4 13900KS to get the DDR5 7600 kit I currently have working with that 1 CPU. So even if I get a brand new one, there is a very good chance it wont even work with my DDR5, and I cannot have the older one back. Thats besides is huge amount of heat and power the 13900K or 14900K consume, the degredation bugs, and so on
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UdoPlayz
05-18-2022, 06:58 PM #8

Its more complicated than that. It took me 3-4 13900KS to get the DDR5 7600 kit I currently have working with that 1 CPU. So even if I get a brand new one, there is a very good chance it wont even work with my DDR5, and I cannot have the older one back. Thats besides is huge amount of heat and power the 13900K or 14900K consume, the degredation bugs, and so on

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amazedplain
Junior Member
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05-18-2022, 07:11 PM
#9
You shouldn't purchase a hybrid CCD CPU since such issues can be entirely prevented. What do you really mean by "workloads that require 8-10 cores"? Some tasks utilize GPU, especially from Nvidia, and are overwhelmed by CUDA benefits. This suggests either extremely demanding Adobe Premiere, DaVinci Resolve, complex coding, or multiple programs running simultaneously, all needing full processing power. Alternatively, you might not actually need 16 cores at all.
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amazedplain
05-18-2022, 07:11 PM #9

You shouldn't purchase a hybrid CCD CPU since such issues can be entirely prevented. What do you really mean by "workloads that require 8-10 cores"? Some tasks utilize GPU, especially from Nvidia, and are overwhelmed by CUDA benefits. This suggests either extremely demanding Adobe Premiere, DaVinci Resolve, complex coding, or multiple programs running simultaneously, all needing full processing power. Alternatively, you might not actually need 16 cores at all.

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KnoV_G
Junior Member
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05-20-2022, 06:59 PM
#10
Yes, you're right. A brand-new chip might not automatically handle high speeds like 7600 without adjustments.
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KnoV_G
05-20-2022, 06:59 PM #10

Yes, you're right. A brand-new chip might not automatically handle high speeds like 7600 without adjustments.

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