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Choose your processor choice: Intel or AMD.

Choose your processor choice: Intel or AMD.

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Shabadabadu
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10-18-2023, 05:28 AM
#11
That's a smart observation. It seems Intel hasn't made much progress lately.
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Shabadabadu
10-18-2023, 05:28 AM #11

That's a smart observation. It seems Intel hasn't made much progress lately.

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SixJuan
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10-18-2023, 07:35 AM
#12
3D v-cache transformed the industry from a gaming perspective. It offers an impressive performance level within this field for the most popular games that actual players enjoy, rather than the ones professional benchmarks focus on. The shift in market sentiment toward AMD pushed the 9800x3D redesign and moved the 3D v-cache to be integrated beneath the die instead of being placed on top. This adjustment was a key compromise that prevented 3D v-cache CPUs from becoming the absolute top choice in every situation. Now it stands as the leading option, and keep an eye on the upcoming 9950x3D...
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SixJuan
10-18-2023, 07:35 AM #12

3D v-cache transformed the industry from a gaming perspective. It offers an impressive performance level within this field for the most popular games that actual players enjoy, rather than the ones professional benchmarks focus on. The shift in market sentiment toward AMD pushed the 9800x3D redesign and moved the 3D v-cache to be integrated beneath the die instead of being placed on top. This adjustment was a key compromise that prevented 3D v-cache CPUs from becoming the absolute top choice in every situation. Now it stands as the leading option, and keep an eye on the upcoming 9950x3D...

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ReborntoKill
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10-20-2023, 07:25 AM
#13
AMD it is. Deciding between 9950X and 78003Dx/79503dX is similar in cost here.
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ReborntoKill
10-20-2023, 07:25 AM #13

AMD it is. Deciding between 9950X and 78003Dx/79503dX is similar in cost here.

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BHLxNJx
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10-21-2023, 11:00 AM
#14
The new 9800X3D has arrived, offering more than just a fresh Zen 5 design. Its 3D stacked cache now sits closer to the CPU core, which significantly boosts thermal efficiency. This advancement is impressive enough that I’d question the quality of Zen 3 and Zen 4 X3D chips. Unlike Intel, whose top models are already at their limits, the 78 or 9800X3D excel in gaming workloads but struggle against high-end options like the 285K or 14900K. The 9950X steps into this arena, challenging Intel in certain areas and delivering mixed results depending on the task.

There’s no external driver for a CPU; efficiency is managed directly by the operating system. I agree that Microsoft has had its share of challenges with AMD, especially around Windows performance. Issues like core scheduling and driver compatibility have been recurring, though sometimes internal factors play a role. For example, the core parking problem on multi-CCD processors adds latency, making it difficult to optimize performance without additional tools like Game Bar.

Microsoft’s recent Windows updates have shown clear improvements for AMD in gaming scenarios. Meanwhile, GPUs face mixed feedback—drivers are improving but still lagging behind AMD in many cases. AMD’s drivers have become more reliable, especially compared to Intel’s longstanding issues.

When it comes to power efficiency, Intel’s 285K remains competitive thanks to its Ultra architecture and improved thermal design. It’s clear that the 14th generation is outdated, leaving users with limited upgrade options and less efficient chips. AMD continues to close the gap, offering better performance per watt.

Ultimately, the choice depends on your needs: for gaming, the 9800X3D is a solid pick; for programming or multi-threaded tasks, the 9950X or 285K may be more suitable.
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BHLxNJx
10-21-2023, 11:00 AM #14

The new 9800X3D has arrived, offering more than just a fresh Zen 5 design. Its 3D stacked cache now sits closer to the CPU core, which significantly boosts thermal efficiency. This advancement is impressive enough that I’d question the quality of Zen 3 and Zen 4 X3D chips. Unlike Intel, whose top models are already at their limits, the 78 or 9800X3D excel in gaming workloads but struggle against high-end options like the 285K or 14900K. The 9950X steps into this arena, challenging Intel in certain areas and delivering mixed results depending on the task.

There’s no external driver for a CPU; efficiency is managed directly by the operating system. I agree that Microsoft has had its share of challenges with AMD, especially around Windows performance. Issues like core scheduling and driver compatibility have been recurring, though sometimes internal factors play a role. For example, the core parking problem on multi-CCD processors adds latency, making it difficult to optimize performance without additional tools like Game Bar.

Microsoft’s recent Windows updates have shown clear improvements for AMD in gaming scenarios. Meanwhile, GPUs face mixed feedback—drivers are improving but still lagging behind AMD in many cases. AMD’s drivers have become more reliable, especially compared to Intel’s longstanding issues.

When it comes to power efficiency, Intel’s 285K remains competitive thanks to its Ultra architecture and improved thermal design. It’s clear that the 14th generation is outdated, leaving users with limited upgrade options and less efficient chips. AMD continues to close the gap, offering better performance per watt.

Ultimately, the choice depends on your needs: for gaming, the 9800X3D is a solid pick; for programming or multi-threaded tasks, the 9950X or 285K may be more suitable.

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oobaileyx
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10-21-2023, 12:42 PM
#15
That's a precise number of 14,900K. What does that imply? Intel is planning to bring back Ryzen again. Do you think so? I'm optimistic about the 18A process. Let's check Panther Lake Mobile.
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oobaileyx
10-21-2023, 12:42 PM #15

That's a precise number of 14,900K. What does that imply? Intel is planning to bring back Ryzen again. Do you think so? I'm optimistic about the 18A process. Let's check Panther Lake Mobile.

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NerfMe
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10-21-2023, 03:12 PM
#16
I’m suggesting a fresh perspective on this decision. If you’ve settled on Zen 4 (Ryzen 7000), it might not fit the future landscape. For top gaming performance, especially if you prioritize raw power over multitasking, consider the 9800X3D instead of the 7800X3D. You seem unclear about your priorities—do you need maximum gaming speed or a balance of threads? The 9950X shines for demanding tasks and heavy workloads, offering more cores for better performance. The 9800X3D excels in gaming thanks to its larger cache but falls short in multi-threaded scenarios. Keep in mind the 9800X3D is still relatively new, so it may not be widely available yet. For now, the 9950X appears to be the stronger choice for both speed and versatility. If budget matters, the 9800X3D is a solid pick, but if you want more cores, go with the 9950X. It’s worth noting that the 9800X3D is just launched, so timing could be an issue.
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NerfMe
10-21-2023, 03:12 PM #16

I’m suggesting a fresh perspective on this decision. If you’ve settled on Zen 4 (Ryzen 7000), it might not fit the future landscape. For top gaming performance, especially if you prioritize raw power over multitasking, consider the 9800X3D instead of the 7800X3D. You seem unclear about your priorities—do you need maximum gaming speed or a balance of threads? The 9950X shines for demanding tasks and heavy workloads, offering more cores for better performance. The 9800X3D excels in gaming thanks to its larger cache but falls short in multi-threaded scenarios. Keep in mind the 9800X3D is still relatively new, so it may not be widely available yet. For now, the 9950X appears to be the stronger choice for both speed and versatility. If budget matters, the 9800X3D is a solid pick, but if you want more cores, go with the 9950X. It’s worth noting that the 9800X3D is just launched, so timing could be an issue.

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bartlott
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10-23-2023, 01:48 AM
#17
Depends on main usage For gaming 7800X3D or 9800X3D no question For productivity both brands have good chips but AMD is largely better at efficiency, even vs the new Core 200blabla, so no real reason to go Intel (even discounting the "degradation" issues of the Intel hi end 13th/14th gen) The only use case I see for something like a 13th or 14th gen i5 or i7 is if you've mixed usage and want something cheap... Core 200 are still quite in their infancy, still have many issues, and don't really compete anywhere except with a couple software (Puget stuff for example) And AMD "drivers" never were an issue on CPU, old AMD chips had lacking single core performance and bad memory controllers, but that was 5+ years ago
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bartlott
10-23-2023, 01:48 AM #17

Depends on main usage For gaming 7800X3D or 9800X3D no question For productivity both brands have good chips but AMD is largely better at efficiency, even vs the new Core 200blabla, so no real reason to go Intel (even discounting the "degradation" issues of the Intel hi end 13th/14th gen) The only use case I see for something like a 13th or 14th gen i5 or i7 is if you've mixed usage and want something cheap... Core 200 are still quite in their infancy, still have many issues, and don't really compete anywhere except with a couple software (Puget stuff for example) And AMD "drivers" never were an issue on CPU, old AMD chips had lacking single core performance and bad memory controllers, but that was 5+ years ago

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oryan25
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11-11-2023, 04:57 PM
#18
I’m not very familiar with hardware setup. My work involves building mobile games with Unity, so any major performance hit would affect my productivity. The 9800X3D isn’t available locally and importing it from elsewhere is difficult. I have a more detailed understanding now, so I’ll be more precise. My current configuration includes an 850W MSI R850GF power supply, NVIDIA 3080 Ti graphics card, Intel 10700K processor with 32GB DDR4 RAM at 3200MHz, running Windows 11. I’m targeting top gaming performance while keeping my workspace uninterrupted. If the CPU cores would interfere too much, then the 3D chip might not suit me. I’ll need to possibly replace my motherboard, CPU, and RAM (and maybe a cooler), but I don’t plan to change anything else. For now, I’m playing Throne and Liberty, and my processor feels sluggish compared to my GPU, which also struggles with Total War. My goal is to get the optimal setup today so I can upgrade my graphics card later without too many bottlenecks.
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oryan25
11-11-2023, 04:57 PM #18

I’m not very familiar with hardware setup. My work involves building mobile games with Unity, so any major performance hit would affect my productivity. The 9800X3D isn’t available locally and importing it from elsewhere is difficult. I have a more detailed understanding now, so I’ll be more precise. My current configuration includes an 850W MSI R850GF power supply, NVIDIA 3080 Ti graphics card, Intel 10700K processor with 32GB DDR4 RAM at 3200MHz, running Windows 11. I’m targeting top gaming performance while keeping my workspace uninterrupted. If the CPU cores would interfere too much, then the 3D chip might not suit me. I’ll need to possibly replace my motherboard, CPU, and RAM (and maybe a cooler), but I don’t plan to change anything else. For now, I’m playing Throne and Liberty, and my processor feels sluggish compared to my GPU, which also struggles with Total War. My goal is to get the optimal setup today so I can upgrade my graphics card later without too many bottlenecks.

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DylanInSA
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11-12-2023, 11:32 PM
#19
The prices for those models are similar—mostly around $1,500–$2,000 depending on region and retailer. The 7800X3D and 7950X3D are both aimed at mobile gaming, so they fit the budget for casual titles. The Throne and Liberty lineup is also in that range. A 8-core CPU should suffice unless you're targeting high-end mobile development. No worries about the numbers, I've seen plenty of mobile games without heavy cores.
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DylanInSA
11-12-2023, 11:32 PM #19

The prices for those models are similar—mostly around $1,500–$2,000 depending on region and retailer. The 7800X3D and 7950X3D are both aimed at mobile gaming, so they fit the budget for casual titles. The Throne and Liberty lineup is also in that range. A 8-core CPU should suffice unless you're targeting high-end mobile development. No worries about the numbers, I've seen plenty of mobile games without heavy cores.

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popeye915
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11-13-2023, 01:03 AM
#20
It's not available anywhere. It has not actually been released yet, just announced and lift the embargo for third party testing. I don't know the date, but you just have to wait sometime. Not too long. One thing to note that you are going for a luxury here. Your specs are still really good, for what is Unity game development. Both, 9800X3D and 9950X would be good regardless, but because you are spending so much money, I will get it clear again. The 9950X makes the most sense, in case if you are still confused. The 9800X3D is good because it offers the best gaming performance (better than 9950X), while still costing less because of its 8 cores only. Even if you are gaming, you don't have to go for this much gaming performance, for losing half the cores. The 9950X is going to be fast regardless. You are going to be GPU bound anyways, unless maybe playing at 1080p or playing Minecraft or something. The people who buy the _800X3D chips want the best price to gaming performance only. In your case, I don't think that it's worth it to give up half the amount of cores for such an extreme gaming performance, regardless if you are doing game development or not. Again, you don't exactly need the 9800X3D for the best gaming performance, unless, well, you really do need it for some reason, or if you want better price to gaming performance value. For your work, more cores, well, I mean, you said you do Unity game development, and that doesn't require many cores or the fastest processor in general, so you are going for a luxury. In your case, I think more cores are still preferred, and also that you are not bound to a budget. or just go intel. i never said not to.
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popeye915
11-13-2023, 01:03 AM #20

It's not available anywhere. It has not actually been released yet, just announced and lift the embargo for third party testing. I don't know the date, but you just have to wait sometime. Not too long. One thing to note that you are going for a luxury here. Your specs are still really good, for what is Unity game development. Both, 9800X3D and 9950X would be good regardless, but because you are spending so much money, I will get it clear again. The 9950X makes the most sense, in case if you are still confused. The 9800X3D is good because it offers the best gaming performance (better than 9950X), while still costing less because of its 8 cores only. Even if you are gaming, you don't have to go for this much gaming performance, for losing half the cores. The 9950X is going to be fast regardless. You are going to be GPU bound anyways, unless maybe playing at 1080p or playing Minecraft or something. The people who buy the _800X3D chips want the best price to gaming performance only. In your case, I don't think that it's worth it to give up half the amount of cores for such an extreme gaming performance, regardless if you are doing game development or not. Again, you don't exactly need the 9800X3D for the best gaming performance, unless, well, you really do need it for some reason, or if you want better price to gaming performance value. For your work, more cores, well, I mean, you said you do Unity game development, and that doesn't require many cores or the fastest processor in general, so you are going for a luxury. In your case, I think more cores are still preferred, and also that you are not bound to a budget. or just go intel. i never said not to.

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