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Building AdviceBottleneck or overkill with any of these?

Building AdviceBottleneck or overkill with any of these?

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alejandrobo1
Posting Freak
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04-08-2022, 05:35 AM
#11
I think I'll consider the 13700k and use a 7200mhz ram... seeing if they'll fit well.
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alejandrobo1
04-08-2022, 05:35 AM #11

I think I'll consider the 13700k and use a 7200mhz ram... seeing if they'll fit well.

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Fireknight192
Member
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04-10-2022, 02:57 AM
#12
Make sure to verify the brand of memory you purchase appears on the QVL list on the motherboard website. Recently, 6000 memory from any brand works well, but 7200 may be inconsistent if not handled properly. Pay attention to the memory clock speed, as it ranks low in terms of performance improvement in games. Examples like processing ZIP files can benefit from higher clock speeds. Using an IGPU is helpful, but it should only be considered for troubleshooting in your situation.
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Fireknight192
04-10-2022, 02:57 AM #12

Make sure to verify the brand of memory you purchase appears on the QVL list on the motherboard website. Recently, 6000 memory from any brand works well, but 7200 may be inconsistent if not handled properly. Pay attention to the memory clock speed, as it ranks low in terms of performance improvement in games. Examples like processing ZIP files can benefit from higher clock speeds. Using an IGPU is helpful, but it should only be considered for troubleshooting in your situation.

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THOANDDEN
Junior Member
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04-12-2022, 07:31 PM
#13
It's good to know that at this speed QLV really needs checking, since everything I bought standard fit.
Thanks, I'm relieved I didn't end up with the RAM above—it's CL 38, while Patriot Viper venom has CL 34 (which isn't on the QLV).
I'm sure I wouldn't notice a difference either.
Appreciate all the help!
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THOANDDEN
04-12-2022, 07:31 PM #13

It's good to know that at this speed QLV really needs checking, since everything I bought standard fit.
Thanks, I'm relieved I didn't end up with the RAM above—it's CL 38, while Patriot Viper venom has CL 34 (which isn't on the QLV).
I'm sure I wouldn't notice a difference either.
Appreciate all the help!

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04-19-2022, 07:20 PM
#14
it means the module box claims compatibility with Intel XMP but the specifications don’t confirm it, so it’s probably just a marketing claim. the site only mentions Expo, not XMP support. it might be a promotional tactic.
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UltraPieGaming
04-19-2022, 07:20 PM #14

it means the module box claims compatibility with Intel XMP but the specifications don’t confirm it, so it’s probably just a marketing claim. the site only mentions Expo, not XMP support. it might be a promotional tactic.

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Cathomir
Member
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04-20-2022, 07:41 PM
#15
EXPO represents AMD's adaptation of XMP. Recently, many memory types support both features. XMP refers to memory overclocking; if you aim for speeds beyond the standard DDR5 rate of 4800, you must manually increase it. XMP profiles are predefined overclock levels set during manufacturing. You select which profile to apply on the chip.

If you wish, you can configure all memory parameters yourself. Although this is less common nowadays, it allows achieving peak performance from your specific modules. Variability among memory types often leads to problems when using dual sticks of the same model, even if they were tested together by the manufacturer.

This process occurs within the BIOS, where you choose the desired XMP profile. For optimal results when assembling a new system, it's recommended to run memtest86+ overnight. Booting from a USB drive is preferable over Windows for thorough testing. If the test succeeds, normal operation should not trigger memory issues.
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Cathomir
04-20-2022, 07:41 PM #15

EXPO represents AMD's adaptation of XMP. Recently, many memory types support both features. XMP refers to memory overclocking; if you aim for speeds beyond the standard DDR5 rate of 4800, you must manually increase it. XMP profiles are predefined overclock levels set during manufacturing. You select which profile to apply on the chip.

If you wish, you can configure all memory parameters yourself. Although this is less common nowadays, it allows achieving peak performance from your specific modules. Variability among memory types often leads to problems when using dual sticks of the same model, even if they were tested together by the manufacturer.

This process occurs within the BIOS, where you choose the desired XMP profile. For optimal results when assembling a new system, it's recommended to run memtest86+ overnight. Booting from a USB drive is preferable over Windows for thorough testing. If the test succeeds, normal operation should not trigger memory issues.

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MavrosGR
Senior Member
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04-20-2022, 10:15 PM
#16
beats me at this point... site talks about expo but not XMP, yet the sticker on the RAM says otherwise.
https://ibb.co/JjJdfT93 and why doesn't the ASUS board's QVL list XMP?
Also, if the RAM isn't in the QVL it might not work or could cause issues like crashes or overclocking problems. So the F5-7200J3445G16GX2-TZ5NR isn't in the QVL list, while the other one is. OOOOH one is only for expo and the other is for XMP. D'oh.
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MavrosGR
04-20-2022, 10:15 PM #16

beats me at this point... site talks about expo but not XMP, yet the sticker on the RAM says otherwise.
https://ibb.co/JjJdfT93 and why doesn't the ASUS board's QVL list XMP?
Also, if the RAM isn't in the QVL it might not work or could cause issues like crashes or overclocking problems. So the F5-7200J3445G16GX2-TZ5NR isn't in the QVL list, while the other one is. OOOOH one is only for expo and the other is for XMP. D'oh.

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Manoloc_NL
Member
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05-05-2022, 09:27 PM
#17
Without checking the specifics, you often notice the distinction lies in color or the heat shield, or something connected to LED lights. Clearly, the firms won’t test every memory stick color. If there’s a real difference, I’d check the memory vendors’ websites for tests with your CPU and motherboard. Bigger memory suppliers usually test many popular boards, making it simpler for them.

In the end, QVL lists aren’t reliable. There might be differences between the silicon used on different boards, CPUs, or memory that you can’t fully verify. Eventually, you have to take a chance. The worst scenario is you’ll need to run it at 4800, but it’s probably possible to adjust it slightly—maybe a tiny extra voltage could help.
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Manoloc_NL
05-05-2022, 09:27 PM #17

Without checking the specifics, you often notice the distinction lies in color or the heat shield, or something connected to LED lights. Clearly, the firms won’t test every memory stick color. If there’s a real difference, I’d check the memory vendors’ websites for tests with your CPU and motherboard. Bigger memory suppliers usually test many popular boards, making it simpler for them.

In the end, QVL lists aren’t reliable. There might be differences between the silicon used on different boards, CPUs, or memory that you can’t fully verify. Eventually, you have to take a chance. The worst scenario is you’ll need to run it at 4800, but it’s probably possible to adjust it slightly—maybe a tiny extra voltage could help.

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_ice_girl_
Junior Member
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05-06-2022, 01:59 AM
#18
QVL simply confirms that the board maker officially recognizes the mobo supports this specific RAM. As long as you don’t overstate the speed, it should function properly (choose a kit at 6200 or 64000 MHz and it should work). I never check the qvl and have never encountered issues.
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_ice_girl_
05-06-2022, 01:59 AM #18

QVL simply confirms that the board maker officially recognizes the mobo supports this specific RAM. As long as you don’t overstate the speed, it should function properly (choose a kit at 6200 or 64000 MHz and it should work). I never check the qvl and have never encountered issues.

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sidyfan
Member
151
05-06-2022, 03:59 AM
#19
...well shit. I'm about to backup my old system and install the new board when I noticed that the new board has a 12-pin CPU power plug. I don't remember my PSU having a 12 (8+2) interface, so I couldn't find anything on the Corsair website but have seen someone using a 13th generation with a 4090 running this GPU, so... I hope it works. Asking another way, do I really need the extra four pins or can I run it with just eight? The extra four look like optional, please don't laugh, I do.
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sidyfan
05-06-2022, 03:59 AM #19

...well shit. I'm about to backup my old system and install the new board when I noticed that the new board has a 12-pin CPU power plug. I don't remember my PSU having a 12 (8+2) interface, so I couldn't find anything on the Corsair website but have seen someone using a 13th generation with a 4090 running this GPU, so... I hope it works. Asking another way, do I really need the extra four pins or can I run it with just eight? The extra four look like optional, please don't laugh, I do.

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Gerard1306
Junior Member
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05-06-2022, 02:12 PM
#20
If you're using a 12700k, it may work with just an 8. The board should support running something like a 14900ks, which is quite power-hungry. Your power supply lacks two 8-pin CPU connectors. You can usually divide the 8 and use only the first four. Alternatively, you might connect the leftmost pins of the 8-pin plug to the four-pin motherboard slots. These pins are mainly for the CPU but also supply power to a PCIE slot.
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Gerard1306
05-06-2022, 02:12 PM #20

If you're using a 12700k, it may work with just an 8. The board should support running something like a 14900ks, which is quite power-hungry. Your power supply lacks two 8-pin CPU connectors. You can usually divide the 8 and use only the first four. Alternatively, you might connect the leftmost pins of the 8-pin plug to the four-pin motherboard slots. These pins are mainly for the CPU but also supply power to a PCIE slot.

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