Are Ryzen 9800X3D issues occurring on non-ASRock platforms?
Are Ryzen 9800X3D issues occurring on non-ASRock platforms?
But pushing overclocking goes beyond their safety protocols to actions they would likely consider risky. The PBO is a claimed capability, which makes me wonder if turning it on could damage your CPU and cancel the warranty. I’m really thankful we’re discussing this just about this because I wasn’t aware it would void the warranty, and honestly I didn’t realize it had to be activated. I just assumed it would work if necessary. It’s possible I never realized it was turned off by default and thought it was functioning properly.
It would be very careless to use PBO until you’re certain the problem is resolved.
I get your comparisons and understand your perspective, but this is promoted on their site. No vehicle I’ve owned had ads saying “this car can reach 250km/h,” and for overclocking, they clearly warn against it—especially in Ryzen Master. Since I’m unfamiliar with overclocking, I never touched it. I assumed PBO meant safe overclocking because it’s advertised. I’m glad I didn’t enable it.
I’m not wealthy, just have a stable job. I chose the top CPU for my preferred games, which are heavily CPU-dependent. I wouldn’t pay that much for a 5090. Those prices are unrealistically high. I got a 5070ti. I could have picked a 5080 or a lower-end model, but again, my favorite titles always rely on strong performance from the CPU.
But in this case, I’m wondering if most owners of 9800x3d CPUs—especially those using AsRock—are experiencing problems? I thought it was a rare issue.
Absolutely, the same precautions apply. My previous builds were more affordable or mid-range, and assembling them was just as challenging and frustrating.
If this document is trustworthy, it appears PBO differs from the version that is activated. It seems the CPU can enhance itself within safe boundaries, but activating it beyond those limits would invalidate the warranty? Perhaps I misread the details. There is a boost available within the warranty, yet to achieve full performance you must exceed the safety limits, which then cancels the guarantee?
Precision Boost is the AMD capability that lets the CPU raise its clock speed beyond the base setting to the maximum boost level defined by AMD. For instance, the 9800X3D with a base clock of 4.7 GHz can reach up to 5.2 GHz during heavy use, all thanks to Precision Boost.
Overdrive offers another option where users can push this limit further, known as overclocking. You can turn it on and push the CPU to speeds like 5.3 GHz or even higher when under stress, though this may increase heat and risk instability. However, using proper settings such as undervolt tuning usually keeps things stable.
Enabling Precision Boost doesn’t automatically cancel the warranty, contrary to some misunderstandings. If AMD proves that a failure was caused directly by PBO, they can refuse the warranty claim—but it’s not a simple “enable PBO = voided warranty” situation.
The Ryzen 9000-series introduction highlights PBO as a notable characteristic or advantage of the processor.
🤔 Unless referring to the same points made for Intel, the Core Ultra 200 page emphasizes features like core and memory overclocking, though this is clarified in footnote 1.
Scrolling further reveals that this footnote indicates warranty voids due to overclocking.
PBO exceeds standard specifications, which results in the loss of warranty coverage.
Manual overclocking is supported by default, as explained by Steve.
PBO surpasses typical limits, making it incompatible with the standard warranty terms.
Unlike full capacity, PB and PB2 operate at their maximum potential; PBO goes beyond that.
Comparing to everyday vehicles, cars have fixed power outputs set during manufacturing. Similarly, Ryzen 9000-series CPUs can't be enhanced beyond their factory specifications—just like tuning a car won't change its inherent limits.
For consumers, the advertised numbers on the label don't reflect the actual performance potential.
True power gains come from modifications such as turbo or supercharging, not from PBO itself.
The situation mirrors that of a car with fixed horsepower and torque—adjustments can increase output, but they remain within the original design limits.
With CPUs, however, these hidden capabilities aren't visible at first glance, so they're typically omitted from standard listings.
In short, yes—it's acknowledged, though it may remain unresolved for manufacturers like AMD and MoBo.
PBO isn't a fixed specification, and in most real-world scenarios, it shouldn't be activated.
For example, issues with the 12VHPWR connector have not been resolved, leading to new connector releases instead.
The same pattern applies to CPU reliability: even with BIOS updates, degradation continues.
These faulty components often stem from vocal advocates amplifying concerns, which can inflate perceived failure rates.
In practice, actual failure numbers are manageable—far below alarming thresholds.
For instance, a 0.1% failure rate translates to just one failure per 10,000 units, or even fewer in larger batches.
Therefore, despite increased reports, the global sales volume of AMD AM5 sockets indicates strong market acceptance.
The focus should be on actual sales figures and verified failure statistics rather than isolated complaints.
Precision boost is what I'm thinking of, I got it mixed up with PBO. Whoops. 5.2 GHz is plenty and in my mind, what the CPU can do. I didn't even know PBO was a thing until this thread. 5.4 ghz doesn't sound like it's worth the risk, an extra 200 mghz.
I was considering precision boost and PBO as equivalent. Precision boost is what's being advertised, and that's what I've been focusing on all along. When I purchased the CPU, the PB was exactly what I expected, and I didn't plan to ever push it beyond its limits.
Regarding your second point, since I'm not sure how you're responding to each part, I guessed it and thought most AsRocks would be okay—otherwise the company would face a major problem.
Many people confuse them. That's why Steve (GamersNexus) made the video originally (the one I linked above).
I was aware of the R7 9800X3D burn-up problems before purchasing my AsRock MoBos. But with some reported cases and no recall yet, I'm not concerned. Also, I'm using stock specs (except RAM EXPO) and currently nothing in my system could stress the CPU. Plus, I've got top air coolers (Thermalright Royal Pretor 130 Black), so thermal worries are out of the picture for my full-tower ATX cases with good cooling.
(You can view pictures and full specs of my builds in my signature.)
I'm watching it now. Thank you for making it clear and for your patience. It seems quite likely that PBO was involved... Probably almost certainly. I'm curious about how many CPU failures were linked to PBO. Often people mention personal experiences without mentioning PBO. Do you play games? Wouldn't that put extra stress on the CPU? I own a Thermalright Spirit Evo and it's really good—temperatures are low and it fits perfectly in an ATX case. We sometimes think a lot like that. I did check your builds too.
I enjoy playing games, mostly simulations or smaller indie titles. I never play AAA or full-featured games.
Also, after recently upgrading from an i5-6600K and keeping my current GPU (MSI GTX 1660 Ti Gaming X 6G), I’m running at 1080p. The system doesn’t get overwhelmed by the CPU.
If it weren’t for the end of Win10 support, I’d still be using my older Skylake setup.
Many users turn on PBO without knowing its effects or adjusting the chip’s voltage. This can sometimes cause noticeable performance improvements.
It’s tough to confirm whether someone used PBO and/or undervolting, as that’s often unclear.
Personally, I haven’t undervolted my CPU because it isn’t officially supported, and I’m not sure if it brings any real advantages without risks.
Unfortunately, there’s no research on the long-term impact of undervolting CPU or GPU. While some people lower temperatures for better performance, there aren’t many studies checking if this affects durability or reliability.
If you read what I mentioned from AMD, then even undervolting could void the CPU warranty.
However, if PBO and/or undervolting are safe (like in PB and PB2), without harming the CPU in the short or long term, there’s no need to void the warranty. But since either option can void it, there are risks involved, which AMD is clearly aware of.
Recap:
If you want to run R7 9800X3D smoothly:
* Use the latest BIOS updates
* Disable PBO and Auto OC
* Avoid CPU overclocking
* Ensure adequate cooling and a robust motherboard with at least 16-phase VRM (or more) to maintain stable power delivery.
For example, my AsRock X870E Nova Wifi has 20 main phase VRM (including 20+2+1 conf), rated at 110A with SPS. Some of them even include a small fan for active cooling.
I also enjoy simulation and strategy games. But aren't they usually demanding a lot of CPU power? I've played Stellaris and Ck3, and all the Paradox titles I've tried have always been limited by the CPU, with bottlenecks showing up.
Is there any advantage in trying this if my CPU is running smoothly?
You should update the BIOS whenever a new version comes out. I remember being told to avoid changing the BIOS unless necessary, since a faulty update could lead to serious issues, such as a non-functional motherboard.
I never intended to do these things.