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01-17-2017, 03:40 PM
#11
VirtualBox supports emulating a GeForce 6800, which worked well for most games up until around 2009. When Windows 7 launched, using XP for games released after late 2009 became less practical. For better performance, consider a second-generation Core 2 Quad system or even a second-generation Core 2 Duo. Regarding the graphics card, stick with a GeForce 200 or Radeon HD 4000 series, as NVIDIA and AMD largely ended XP compatibility after that point. A GeForce 8 or Radeon HD 2000/3000 would also be suitable, especially if you didn't mind Vista.
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LePoteDuQuebec
01-17-2017, 03:40 PM #11

VirtualBox supports emulating a GeForce 6800, which worked well for most games up until around 2009. When Windows 7 launched, using XP for games released after late 2009 became less practical. For better performance, consider a second-generation Core 2 Quad system or even a second-generation Core 2 Duo. Regarding the graphics card, stick with a GeForce 200 or Radeon HD 4000 series, as NVIDIA and AMD largely ended XP compatibility after that point. A GeForce 8 or Radeon HD 2000/3000 would also be suitable, especially if you didn't mind Vista.

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ImNesss
Junior Member
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01-17-2017, 04:14 PM
#12
Back then, many users ran 32-bit versions of Windows XP. It's a waste of money? Athlon 64 models are actually quite affordable.
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ImNesss
01-17-2017, 04:14 PM #12

Back then, many users ran 32-bit versions of Windows XP. It's a waste of money? Athlon 64 models are actually quite affordable.

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905xA
Senior Member
667
01-18-2017, 09:24 PM
#13
These processors are fairly common and often available at no cost.
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905xA
01-18-2017, 09:24 PM #13

These processors are fairly common and often available at no cost.

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skylonder04
Junior Member
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01-23-2017, 07:37 AM
#14
I have two Athlon 64 computers, both acquired at no cost because they’re essentially worthless.
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skylonder04
01-23-2017, 07:37 AM #14

I have two Athlon 64 computers, both acquired at no cost because they’re essentially worthless.

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SeductiveRad
Junior Member
10
01-23-2017, 08:09 AM
#15
It remained the quickest processor for handling 32-bit programs even at launch. Its speed was nearly 80% better than the Pentium 4 in terms of clock speed. Nonetheless... A dual-core unit would reach near top performance for an XP system, and they’re remarkably accessible. During 2007-2010 there were significantly more Intel Core 2 duo models than AMD ones, as AMD mainly targeted premium segments. The E6600 launched around $300, surpassing the $1000 FX-62. Performance dropped afterward. You’ll spot E4000, E6000 and E8000 core 2 duo units for under $10, and compatible motherboards are widely available. Socket 939 and Athlon 64 X2 are considerably harder to locate, tend to cost more, and offer slower speeds overall.
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SeductiveRad
01-23-2017, 08:09 AM #15

It remained the quickest processor for handling 32-bit programs even at launch. Its speed was nearly 80% better than the Pentium 4 in terms of clock speed. Nonetheless... A dual-core unit would reach near top performance for an XP system, and they’re remarkably accessible. During 2007-2010 there were significantly more Intel Core 2 duo models than AMD ones, as AMD mainly targeted premium segments. The E6600 launched around $300, surpassing the $1000 FX-62. Performance dropped afterward. You’ll spot E4000, E6000 and E8000 core 2 duo units for under $10, and compatible motherboards are widely available. Socket 939 and Athlon 64 X2 are considerably harder to locate, tend to cost more, and offer slower speeds overall.

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Apple_kun
Junior Member
34
01-23-2017, 02:24 PM
#16
I was thinking about setting up a virtual machine, but I need a project and an XP build would fit perfectly. Something under $500 with a real purpose in the house. I’m aiming for XP SP 3, and I’d prefer to skip the IDE if possible, though I’m okay with it if needed. For cooling, I’ll rely on the stock fans since I’m using the original clocks on whatever I purchase. The storage, case, and power supply will all be up-to-date (or at least modern enough—probably USB 3.0 won’t be supported). If the fans make too much noise or whine, I’ll add a box fan and maybe some headphones. I might also consider a DAC, knowing audio quality wasn’t great on those boards. I’m aware that 32-bit Windows only supports 4 GB RAM, but I’m not sure it will really slow things down. My goal is to run games like Midnight Club, Diablo, Freelancer without crashes or blue screens. 64-bit was a real pain, so this build should be straightforward and hassle-free. It’s also important to me that I stay offline from my router to avoid any security risks. Ultimately, I just need clear guidance on the best CPU and GPU choices, plus affordable options with the latest drivers.
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Apple_kun
01-23-2017, 02:24 PM #16

I was thinking about setting up a virtual machine, but I need a project and an XP build would fit perfectly. Something under $500 with a real purpose in the house. I’m aiming for XP SP 3, and I’d prefer to skip the IDE if possible, though I’m okay with it if needed. For cooling, I’ll rely on the stock fans since I’m using the original clocks on whatever I purchase. The storage, case, and power supply will all be up-to-date (or at least modern enough—probably USB 3.0 won’t be supported). If the fans make too much noise or whine, I’ll add a box fan and maybe some headphones. I might also consider a DAC, knowing audio quality wasn’t great on those boards. I’m aware that 32-bit Windows only supports 4 GB RAM, but I’m not sure it will really slow things down. My goal is to run games like Midnight Club, Diablo, Freelancer without crashes or blue screens. 64-bit was a real pain, so this build should be straightforward and hassle-free. It’s also important to me that I stay offline from my router to avoid any security risks. Ultimately, I just need clear guidance on the best CPU and GPU choices, plus affordable options with the latest drivers.

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iRaine
Posting Freak
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01-25-2017, 01:30 AM
#17
Not Windows XP. It has no purpose in a house. A project idea that I have done recently is made a Netflix box for my TV (its not a smart one). I used my old Nvidia ION platform (1st gen Atom 1.6GHz dual core CPU 64-bit, GeForce 9400M) , which I overclocked the CPU to the max at 2.05GHz (limited by the motherboard which can't deliver more voltage to the CPU. I like I picked the max from the menu selection for the CPU voltage ), installed Windows 10, and strip the OS from everything I could while keeping networking, and running UWP apps (Atom CPU, even overclocked is way to slow). Set it is to tablet mode to get a full screen menu, installed Netflix, Skype, Plex, got an air mouse with a keyboard on the back, and a programmable IR receiver (to put the system to sleep and wake up via the Air Mouse which its power button is through IR, the rest aren't). The end result is, once everything is loaded, a smooth experience, and enjoy 1080p Netflix (technically also 4K but the GPU doesn't support it, and Atom CPU is too slow). Was a fun little project. Budget was near 0$, so it looks like this: Spoiler (Yes, those are motherboard standoff used on reverse with HDD screws to lift the board up ) The CPU is the bottleneck by considerable margins. UWP apps shine the most, as the whole GUI is all GPU rendered, same for Edge, Netflix, Plex are uses the GPU exclusively for video rendering... but loading content uses the CPU, and that is sooo slow. Even if you put a laptop crappy 5400RPM HDD, the CPU is still the bottleneck. It is a hopeless case) You'll need to set your SATA controller to IDE emulation mode in the BIOS in any case. Although you can inject the SATA controller drivers to Windows XP setup, make a new disk, and hopefully it works. If you have XP SP2 disk, than you might be OK, or use the motherboard driver disk and load the drivers from there during XP setup. Ok, this may not work. I know that older PSU doesn't work with more modern CPUs even if you have all the power connector due to the ATX standard change. Not sure if modern'ish PSU are backward compatible, is what I am saying. All to say, if the system doesn't power up or doesn't POST, it might a PSU ATX version issue. Correct. Windows 7 needed separate drivers from the USB 3.0 controller chip manufacture to make it work. So XP definitely doesn't. Unless you happen to have a USB 3.0 controller with XP drivers. Expect those ports not work at all until the drivers are installed. Use USB 2.0 port. If you end up with an AMD Athlon XP, on an Nvidia nForce 2 motherboard WITH Nvidia SoundStorm sound chip ( yes, Nvidia did a sound chip back in the days ), the sound is pretty decent. It was equivalent to the Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 if memory serves correct. Nvidia stop making sound chips soon after, as most motherboard implementing the nForce 2 chipset, didn't put the SoundStorm audio chip due to cost. So those motherboards are rare... they were few back in the days, to start with. I had one. Was nice. You should never have a Bluescreen on a Vista and up system. Blue screens occurs due to an unrecoverable problem, which is either driver related or faulty hardware. I would investigate. Crash of game and graphical glitches are possible. You can maybe find unofficial patches to make the game work on modern Windows. Just do NOT get: Intel Atom CPU, any model. Just don't AMD Sempron Intel Celeron (especially the old ones) Intel Pentium D If you do want to get an AMD Athlon XP, I recommend it is on an nForce 2 chipset motherboard for easy overclocking. You can easily overclock the 2500+ to 3200+ just by changing the multiplier which is unlocked, heck the motherboard was identifying the CPU as the higher end model once you did it. The 2500+ was a very popular model due to this ability. If you want to get an AMD Athlon 64 or 64 X2 on Socket 939, those system will run Windows 7 64-bit, especially the X2, so you can use it for other projects. Get it with an Nvidia nForce 4 motherboard, preferably the 32X SLI model (not for the SLI, but usually the motherboard is feature rich, and good at overclocking, and the best performance, if I recall correctly). Keep in mind that the Socket 939 CPUs DO NOT support Windows 8 or 10 64-bit, due to missing needed CPU technologies that Windows needs. You are limited to Windows 7 64-bit. If you get a Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz+, with a nice SSD, you run Windows 10 with great experience. You'll quickly notice a fast and responsive experience, especially if you load it up with 4GB of RAM or more, and a dedicated entry or better GPU (forget Intel integrated graphics). It will be slow, and really impact you when you'll extract .zip files or compress them, install programs, and well anything CPU heavy. Gives out this weird feel, as the HDD isn't the bottleneck, as it is a decently fast SSD, but rather the CPU, and Windows 10 stays in RAM. Heck if you want to do a mad scientist experiment, if your HDD/SSD is on SATA controller set to AHCI mode, and you ensure no disk activity, you can pull the HDD/SSD SATA cable, and the whole OS will still operate fine until you open a folder, or start a program, or load anything not in memory (the more RAM you have, the more Windows will put itself to your RAM). And once you plug the SATA cable back in, and wait several seconds while everything syncs up, Windows will execute everything that needed the HDD/SSD you did in order. WARNING: If you do this, expects data corruption which can occur, and if disk was needed when you pulled out the SATA cable, the system will BSOD. Do at your own risk. As for GPU. GeForce FX 5900 SE (Sucky Edition) 128MB or faster/newer/better. You should be able to play all sorts of games of the time with this GPU, including HalfLife 2 with great visual settings. Of course, newer/faster/better the GPU the more power you'll have for games, and can run future version of Windows and games better, let alone have drivers for the newer version of Windows.
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iRaine
01-25-2017, 01:30 AM #17

Not Windows XP. It has no purpose in a house. A project idea that I have done recently is made a Netflix box for my TV (its not a smart one). I used my old Nvidia ION platform (1st gen Atom 1.6GHz dual core CPU 64-bit, GeForce 9400M) , which I overclocked the CPU to the max at 2.05GHz (limited by the motherboard which can't deliver more voltage to the CPU. I like I picked the max from the menu selection for the CPU voltage ), installed Windows 10, and strip the OS from everything I could while keeping networking, and running UWP apps (Atom CPU, even overclocked is way to slow). Set it is to tablet mode to get a full screen menu, installed Netflix, Skype, Plex, got an air mouse with a keyboard on the back, and a programmable IR receiver (to put the system to sleep and wake up via the Air Mouse which its power button is through IR, the rest aren't). The end result is, once everything is loaded, a smooth experience, and enjoy 1080p Netflix (technically also 4K but the GPU doesn't support it, and Atom CPU is too slow). Was a fun little project. Budget was near 0$, so it looks like this: Spoiler (Yes, those are motherboard standoff used on reverse with HDD screws to lift the board up ) The CPU is the bottleneck by considerable margins. UWP apps shine the most, as the whole GUI is all GPU rendered, same for Edge, Netflix, Plex are uses the GPU exclusively for video rendering... but loading content uses the CPU, and that is sooo slow. Even if you put a laptop crappy 5400RPM HDD, the CPU is still the bottleneck. It is a hopeless case) You'll need to set your SATA controller to IDE emulation mode in the BIOS in any case. Although you can inject the SATA controller drivers to Windows XP setup, make a new disk, and hopefully it works. If you have XP SP2 disk, than you might be OK, or use the motherboard driver disk and load the drivers from there during XP setup. Ok, this may not work. I know that older PSU doesn't work with more modern CPUs even if you have all the power connector due to the ATX standard change. Not sure if modern'ish PSU are backward compatible, is what I am saying. All to say, if the system doesn't power up or doesn't POST, it might a PSU ATX version issue. Correct. Windows 7 needed separate drivers from the USB 3.0 controller chip manufacture to make it work. So XP definitely doesn't. Unless you happen to have a USB 3.0 controller with XP drivers. Expect those ports not work at all until the drivers are installed. Use USB 2.0 port. If you end up with an AMD Athlon XP, on an Nvidia nForce 2 motherboard WITH Nvidia SoundStorm sound chip ( yes, Nvidia did a sound chip back in the days ), the sound is pretty decent. It was equivalent to the Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 if memory serves correct. Nvidia stop making sound chips soon after, as most motherboard implementing the nForce 2 chipset, didn't put the SoundStorm audio chip due to cost. So those motherboards are rare... they were few back in the days, to start with. I had one. Was nice. You should never have a Bluescreen on a Vista and up system. Blue screens occurs due to an unrecoverable problem, which is either driver related or faulty hardware. I would investigate. Crash of game and graphical glitches are possible. You can maybe find unofficial patches to make the game work on modern Windows. Just do NOT get: Intel Atom CPU, any model. Just don't AMD Sempron Intel Celeron (especially the old ones) Intel Pentium D If you do want to get an AMD Athlon XP, I recommend it is on an nForce 2 chipset motherboard for easy overclocking. You can easily overclock the 2500+ to 3200+ just by changing the multiplier which is unlocked, heck the motherboard was identifying the CPU as the higher end model once you did it. The 2500+ was a very popular model due to this ability. If you want to get an AMD Athlon 64 or 64 X2 on Socket 939, those system will run Windows 7 64-bit, especially the X2, so you can use it for other projects. Get it with an Nvidia nForce 4 motherboard, preferably the 32X SLI model (not for the SLI, but usually the motherboard is feature rich, and good at overclocking, and the best performance, if I recall correctly). Keep in mind that the Socket 939 CPUs DO NOT support Windows 8 or 10 64-bit, due to missing needed CPU technologies that Windows needs. You are limited to Windows 7 64-bit. If you get a Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz+, with a nice SSD, you run Windows 10 with great experience. You'll quickly notice a fast and responsive experience, especially if you load it up with 4GB of RAM or more, and a dedicated entry or better GPU (forget Intel integrated graphics). It will be slow, and really impact you when you'll extract .zip files or compress them, install programs, and well anything CPU heavy. Gives out this weird feel, as the HDD isn't the bottleneck, as it is a decently fast SSD, but rather the CPU, and Windows 10 stays in RAM. Heck if you want to do a mad scientist experiment, if your HDD/SSD is on SATA controller set to AHCI mode, and you ensure no disk activity, you can pull the HDD/SSD SATA cable, and the whole OS will still operate fine until you open a folder, or start a program, or load anything not in memory (the more RAM you have, the more Windows will put itself to your RAM). And once you plug the SATA cable back in, and wait several seconds while everything syncs up, Windows will execute everything that needed the HDD/SSD you did in order. WARNING: If you do this, expects data corruption which can occur, and if disk was needed when you pulled out the SATA cable, the system will BSOD. Do at your own risk. As for GPU. GeForce FX 5900 SE (Sucky Edition) 128MB or faster/newer/better. You should be able to play all sorts of games of the time with this GPU, including HalfLife 2 with great visual settings. Of course, newer/faster/better the GPU the more power you'll have for games, and can run future version of Windows and games better, let alone have drivers for the newer version of Windows.

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thelittlegit
Member
186
02-11-2017, 11:29 PM
#18
Avoid the AMD Athlon XP model. It lacks SSE2 support, which means newer Windows XP applications and games wouldn’t run properly. Consider E7000 or E8000 series Core2 Duo systems. LGA775 platforms should function well with any contemporary power supply, unlike Athlon XPs. Pentium 4 and Athlon XP are suitable mainly for building a vintage PC with AGP and IDE components. Such setups would be ideal for games from the early 2000s and beyond. I actually own three distinct XP retro gaming rigs (though I have many more than three). Spoiler: My primary XP machine is still in use. And it performs well under normal conditions. Intel Core2 Duo E6300 @ 2.33GHz, 2gb DDR2 at 667MHz, paired with NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT. I plan to upgrade to a 8800 GTX/GTS or similar. Asus P5B (P965) with a 32gb SSD and 80gb HDD for games from 2004/05 and earlier. For older titles: Intel Pentium 4 HT @ 3.0GHz (S478), 2gb DDR1 at 400MHz, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Gigabyte GA-8SGXL with two 40gb IDE drives. What kind of display are you planning? Most older XP titles don’t handle widescreen settings. If you’re using a 16:9 screen, consider GPU scaling with a fixed aspect ratio, especially if your monitor doesn’t support 4:3 or 5:4 modes.
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thelittlegit
02-11-2017, 11:29 PM #18

Avoid the AMD Athlon XP model. It lacks SSE2 support, which means newer Windows XP applications and games wouldn’t run properly. Consider E7000 or E8000 series Core2 Duo systems. LGA775 platforms should function well with any contemporary power supply, unlike Athlon XPs. Pentium 4 and Athlon XP are suitable mainly for building a vintage PC with AGP and IDE components. Such setups would be ideal for games from the early 2000s and beyond. I actually own three distinct XP retro gaming rigs (though I have many more than three). Spoiler: My primary XP machine is still in use. And it performs well under normal conditions. Intel Core2 Duo E6300 @ 2.33GHz, 2gb DDR2 at 667MHz, paired with NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT. I plan to upgrade to a 8800 GTX/GTS or similar. Asus P5B (P965) with a 32gb SSD and 80gb HDD for games from 2004/05 and earlier. For older titles: Intel Pentium 4 HT @ 3.0GHz (S478), 2gb DDR1 at 400MHz, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Gigabyte GA-8SGXL with two 40gb IDE drives. What kind of display are you planning? Most older XP titles don’t handle widescreen settings. If you’re using a 16:9 screen, consider GPU scaling with a fixed aspect ratio, especially if your monitor doesn’t support 4:3 or 5:4 modes.

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rowville
Junior Member
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02-12-2017, 01:16 AM
#19
For basic Windows XP compatibility, an older Dell OptiPlex works well. My office ran several 755s and 760s with XP Pro, and they performed without problems. They use Core 2 processors, so that should be fine. Adding a graphics card completes the setup.
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rowville
02-12-2017, 01:16 AM #19

For basic Windows XP compatibility, an older Dell OptiPlex works well. My office ran several 755s and 760s with XP Pro, and they performed without problems. They use Core 2 processors, so that should be fine. Adding a graphics card completes the setup.

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ImKilleR_
Junior Member
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02-13-2017, 06:11 AM
#20
Consider a processor from Core2Duo, Quad, Athlon X2/X4, or Phenom II. Focus on GPUs from the 7000 series or below, or the 600 series as well. Make sure your system has no more than 4GB RAM for 32-bit architectures. Intel and Crucial provide driver support to enable TRIM on their SSDs under XP. We still have a few XP machines to maintain at work, which is frustrating. I began using XP during Project Whistler in 2000 and I’m glad I never see it again.
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ImKilleR_
02-13-2017, 06:11 AM #20

Consider a processor from Core2Duo, Quad, Athlon X2/X4, or Phenom II. Focus on GPUs from the 7000 series or below, or the 600 series as well. Make sure your system has no more than 4GB RAM for 32-bit architectures. Intel and Crucial provide driver support to enable TRIM on their SSDs under XP. We still have a few XP machines to maintain at work, which is frustrating. I began using XP during Project Whistler in 2000 and I’m glad I never see it again.

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