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Windows 11: What's going on with Microsoft? (Yelling)

Windows 11: What's going on with Microsoft? (Yelling)

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AcidixBlitzHD
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07-15-2021, 03:09 PM
#11
With TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot enabled, along with an SSD or HDD that exceeds 32GB, you can install Windows 11. Microsoft clarifies that if your CPU isn't supported, you'll face challenges similar to those encountered by Windows 10 users with unsupported processors like AMD or Intel. Problems such as crashes, security vulnerabilities, or driver issues often stem from this limitation. The update won't appear automatically via Windows Update; you'll need to install it manually. Microsoft doesn't promise future updates for unsupported CPUs. Systems lacking TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot face the greatest difficulty.

Those affected include very old machines—like a ~14-year-old system with a Core i7 900 and a 2009 CPU architecture, without UEFI support. Many users reported struggling to boot Windows 10 on such hardware due to BIOS bugs. Motherboards from that era simply can't receive updates.

For most people, especially those using OEM systems with TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot enabled, the situation is manageable. Reading manuals carefully is crucial to ensure proper setup for your specific hardware and requirements.

I didn't intend to come across as rude or elitist. I'm simply pointing out that some YouTubers don't properly guide users through these technical steps. They often assume anything works, which can lead to improper configurations. While I encourage DIY efforts, it's important to understand the basics—like what FSB settings mean and why certain modes matter.

In my experience, the real issue lies with creators who don't teach users how to configure their systems correctly. This problem has been raised before regarding SATA-2 and BIOS defaults, but proper guidance is essential. I'm here to help clarify what works and what doesn't, so you can make informed decisions.
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AcidixBlitzHD
07-15-2021, 03:09 PM #11

With TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot enabled, along with an SSD or HDD that exceeds 32GB, you can install Windows 11. Microsoft clarifies that if your CPU isn't supported, you'll face challenges similar to those encountered by Windows 10 users with unsupported processors like AMD or Intel. Problems such as crashes, security vulnerabilities, or driver issues often stem from this limitation. The update won't appear automatically via Windows Update; you'll need to install it manually. Microsoft doesn't promise future updates for unsupported CPUs. Systems lacking TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot face the greatest difficulty.

Those affected include very old machines—like a ~14-year-old system with a Core i7 900 and a 2009 CPU architecture, without UEFI support. Many users reported struggling to boot Windows 10 on such hardware due to BIOS bugs. Motherboards from that era simply can't receive updates.

For most people, especially those using OEM systems with TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot enabled, the situation is manageable. Reading manuals carefully is crucial to ensure proper setup for your specific hardware and requirements.

I didn't intend to come across as rude or elitist. I'm simply pointing out that some YouTubers don't properly guide users through these technical steps. They often assume anything works, which can lead to improper configurations. While I encourage DIY efforts, it's important to understand the basics—like what FSB settings mean and why certain modes matter.

In my experience, the real issue lies with creators who don't teach users how to configure their systems correctly. This problem has been raised before regarding SATA-2 and BIOS defaults, but proper guidance is essential. I'm here to help clarify what works and what doesn't, so you can make informed decisions.

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bei_si
Junior Member
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07-15-2021, 11:30 PM
#12
Security remains a key focus, though Microsoft has taken a positive move in this area. However, their strategy seems somewhat questionable and there are more effective ways to strengthen Windows protection. Mandating the purchase of new hardware isn’t the best solution and could harm Microsoft’s reputation, particularly during supply shortages. If they truly aimed to boost security, removing outdated code or features directly from Windows would have been more appropriate—perhaps even isolating them in a secure environment if needed. This approach might disrupt industries that depend on custom software, and I respect Microsoft’s commitment to backward compatibility, which also helps regular users. The core problem lies in their relentless push for backward compatibility; it poses serious security risks, especially given the rise in ransomware and cyber threats. Many attackers exploit old Windows components, such as the notorious PrintNightmare flaw. Attempting to patch legacy systems can be extremely challenging, especially with complex elements like the Windows Print Spooler that originated in very early versions of Windows NT. While TPM and VBS add some security layers, they offer limited protection if the underlying OS is riddled with outdated code. The accumulation of technical debt over the years is becoming increasingly problematic, and I believe Microsoft should explore replacing some legacy elements with more robust alternatives in the future.
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bei_si
07-15-2021, 11:30 PM #12

Security remains a key focus, though Microsoft has taken a positive move in this area. However, their strategy seems somewhat questionable and there are more effective ways to strengthen Windows protection. Mandating the purchase of new hardware isn’t the best solution and could harm Microsoft’s reputation, particularly during supply shortages. If they truly aimed to boost security, removing outdated code or features directly from Windows would have been more appropriate—perhaps even isolating them in a secure environment if needed. This approach might disrupt industries that depend on custom software, and I respect Microsoft’s commitment to backward compatibility, which also helps regular users. The core problem lies in their relentless push for backward compatibility; it poses serious security risks, especially given the rise in ransomware and cyber threats. Many attackers exploit old Windows components, such as the notorious PrintNightmare flaw. Attempting to patch legacy systems can be extremely challenging, especially with complex elements like the Windows Print Spooler that originated in very early versions of Windows NT. While TPM and VBS add some security layers, they offer limited protection if the underlying OS is riddled with outdated code. The accumulation of technical debt over the years is becoming increasingly problematic, and I believe Microsoft should explore replacing some legacy elements with more robust alternatives in the future.

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xNoBeef
Member
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07-23-2021, 05:04 AM
#13
It functions perfectly on my R5 1600. So far, I haven’t noticed any issues with W11. It seems like it’s essentially a refreshed version of Windows 10, offering a much improved interface—especially the settings window, which is a significant upgrade from the old metro UI tablet-PC layout with its borderless buttons.
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xNoBeef
07-23-2021, 05:04 AM #13

It functions perfectly on my R5 1600. So far, I haven’t noticed any issues with W11. It seems like it’s essentially a refreshed version of Windows 10, offering a much improved interface—especially the settings window, which is a significant upgrade from the old metro UI tablet-PC layout with its borderless buttons.

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Avelia
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07-27-2021, 04:42 AM
#14
Microsoft aims to simplify Windows, leveraging hardware more effectively. It’s challenging given Windows 10’s long support for older CPUs like the Pentium 4. The strategy involves a fresh start, offering both visual and performance improvements. Even with frequent updates to the interface, maintaining a modern feel is crucial. A graphical and mechanical refresh, introduced in Windows 11, would likely generate stronger excitement than just a standard GUI change.
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Avelia
07-27-2021, 04:42 AM #14

Microsoft aims to simplify Windows, leveraging hardware more effectively. It’s challenging given Windows 10’s long support for older CPUs like the Pentium 4. The strategy involves a fresh start, offering both visual and performance improvements. Even with frequent updates to the interface, maintaining a modern feel is crucial. A graphical and mechanical refresh, introduced in Windows 11, would likely generate stronger excitement than just a standard GUI change.

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Stealthycat75
Member
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07-31-2021, 02:06 AM
#15
I faced several issues with my Surface Pro 2017 but not with my main laptop. I’ll likely test it again on the surface when the official version arrives. I appreciate the new look in Windows 11 except for some drawbacks (like the start menu feeling even less functional than Windows 10). If you turn off recent apps or files, you end up with a blank space instead of useful options. I experienced much better stability on Windows 11 compared to Windows 10, with no compatibility problems or crashes—except during the leaked development version. The recent Windows 11 install had more bluescreens than I’ve seen on Windows 11 in over a month. I don’t think it’s a complete step backward, though; it’s similar to what happened when moving from Windows 7 to 10. 10 added features and support but also brought a lot of unnecessary bloat, duplicate apps, and extra telemetry. People eventually learned to clean up Windows 10, making it more usable unless you’re using very old hardware.
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Stealthycat75
07-31-2021, 02:06 AM #15

I faced several issues with my Surface Pro 2017 but not with my main laptop. I’ll likely test it again on the surface when the official version arrives. I appreciate the new look in Windows 11 except for some drawbacks (like the start menu feeling even less functional than Windows 10). If you turn off recent apps or files, you end up with a blank space instead of useful options. I experienced much better stability on Windows 11 compared to Windows 10, with no compatibility problems or crashes—except during the leaked development version. The recent Windows 11 install had more bluescreens than I’ve seen on Windows 11 in over a month. I don’t think it’s a complete step backward, though; it’s similar to what happened when moving from Windows 7 to 10. 10 added features and support but also brought a lot of unnecessary bloat, duplicate apps, and extra telemetry. People eventually learned to clean up Windows 10, making it more usable unless you’re using very old hardware.

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ViktorWalsted
Junior Member
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08-01-2021, 08:40 AM
#16
Following Community Guidelines; avoid trolling or using bait to provoke.
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ViktorWalsted
08-01-2021, 08:40 AM #16

Following Community Guidelines; avoid trolling or using bait to provoke.

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