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What is the maximum AVX offset when executing 8700k downclocking?

What is the maximum AVX offset when executing 8700k downclocking?

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MiriamRiveraYT
Junior Member
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07-27-2017, 03:32 AM
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Adjusted my 8700k processor to 4.6ghz across all cores using 1.27v and an LLC level 3. BIOS AVX offset was set to 2, but Prime95 shows clock speeds dropping to 4200mhz instead of the expected 4400mhz when offset is 2. Power limits are at maximum, Core VIDs are requesting 1.3 to 1.42v. Disabling AVX in testing returns normal AVX offset values between 4600mhz and 4400mhz. With AVX active, speeds remain consistently around 4200mhz. Am I making a mistake in the overclocking process?
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MiriamRiveraYT
07-27-2017, 03:32 AM #1

Adjusted my 8700k processor to 4.6ghz across all cores using 1.27v and an LLC level 3. BIOS AVX offset was set to 2, but Prime95 shows clock speeds dropping to 4200mhz instead of the expected 4400mhz when offset is 2. Power limits are at maximum, Core VIDs are requesting 1.3 to 1.42v. Disabling AVX in testing returns normal AVX offset values between 4600mhz and 4400mhz. With AVX active, speeds remain consistently around 4200mhz. Am I making a mistake in the overclocking process?

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EnzoVargas619
Member
120
08-07-2017, 09:44 PM
#2
Many 8700K systems aimed for a minimum of 4.7 GHz across all cores, since that was the maximum turbo setting available on a single core.
I would think about reverting your BIOS to its default configuration, activating XMP, turning on MCE (which aims for 4.7 GHz on all cores if thermal and power limits permit), then possibly setting up or adjusting Intel's XTU for AVX offsets, making voltage tweaks per core, targeting the exact desired clock speeds, etc. In case of a crash or a rough shutdown, XTU will revert to standard settings, avoiding any complications with BIOS adjustments.
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EnzoVargas619
08-07-2017, 09:44 PM #2

Many 8700K systems aimed for a minimum of 4.7 GHz across all cores, since that was the maximum turbo setting available on a single core.
I would think about reverting your BIOS to its default configuration, activating XMP, turning on MCE (which aims for 4.7 GHz on all cores if thermal and power limits permit), then possibly setting up or adjusting Intel's XTU for AVX offsets, making voltage tweaks per core, targeting the exact desired clock speeds, etc. In case of a crash or a rough shutdown, XTU will revert to standard settings, avoiding any complications with BIOS adjustments.

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speedycux
Member
187
08-08-2017, 04:39 AM
#3
When performing a multiplier sync, the frequency shouldn't change much in non-AVX Prime95 tasks. If the CPU is throttling before the AVX offset is applied, the issue might still relate to VRM temperatures. Are you checking HWInfo and monitoring package thermals and power limits? Are you setting 1.27v because it was unstable at lower voltages? x46 all-core could work on stock vcore. Consider using LLC at 4 or 5. When you reached your overclock, were you running AVX tests or just non-AVX? What's your cooling setup? What's your motherboard?
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speedycux
08-08-2017, 04:39 AM #3

When performing a multiplier sync, the frequency shouldn't change much in non-AVX Prime95 tasks. If the CPU is throttling before the AVX offset is applied, the issue might still relate to VRM temperatures. Are you checking HWInfo and monitoring package thermals and power limits? Are you setting 1.27v because it was unstable at lower voltages? x46 all-core could work on stock vcore. Consider using LLC at 4 or 5. When you reached your overclock, were you running AVX tests or just non-AVX? What's your cooling setup? What's your motherboard?

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SpiderMan1962
Member
77
08-08-2017, 08:17 AM
#4
Mobo is an Asus Prime Z370-A. I encountered a BSOD while using both on Prime95. AVX was enabled and then disabled. The cooling performance is solid. Under stress testing after 10-15 minutes, the max CPU package temperature reached 75-79°C. In Hwinfo64, there are no limits or throttling applied to my CPU. The cache ratio is set at 42, which might explain why it’s being underclocked to 4200mhz.
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SpiderMan1962
08-08-2017, 08:17 AM #4

Mobo is an Asus Prime Z370-A. I encountered a BSOD while using both on Prime95. AVX was enabled and then disabled. The cooling performance is solid. Under stress testing after 10-15 minutes, the max CPU package temperature reached 75-79°C. In Hwinfo64, there are no limits or throttling applied to my CPU. The cache ratio is set at 42, which might explain why it’s being underclocked to 4200mhz.

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Bettelort
Junior Member
39
08-08-2017, 06:02 PM
#5
Cache (uncore) operating at 300 to 500 MHz below clock speed is acceptable. In an ideal scenario, both core and cache ratios are matched at higher power consumption. Are you employing adaptive or offset voltage control? Have you adjusted any other voltages (VCCIO, VCCSA, etc.)? If you attempt a direct jump to 1.29 V with a standard 4-stage LLC, would it still cause significant underclocking? It would be useful to check hwinfo in sensors mode for any thermal throttling during testing. What motherboard and cooling configuration are you using?
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Bettelort
08-08-2017, 06:02 PM #5

Cache (uncore) operating at 300 to 500 MHz below clock speed is acceptable. In an ideal scenario, both core and cache ratios are matched at higher power consumption. Are you employing adaptive or offset voltage control? Have you adjusted any other voltages (VCCIO, VCCSA, etc.)? If you attempt a direct jump to 1.29 V with a standard 4-stage LLC, would it still cause significant underclocking? It would be useful to check hwinfo in sensors mode for any thermal throttling during testing. What motherboard and cooling configuration are you using?

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PAH1997
Member
56
08-12-2017, 11:53 AM
#6
I plan to reach up to 1.29v using an LLC of 4 and check the outcomes. My voltage is set manually, and I haven't changed any other settings. The motherboard is an Asus Prime Z370-A with three intake fans on the bottom (120mm each), four exhaust fans (120mm each), and a H100i AIO 240mm for the CPU.
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PAH1997
08-12-2017, 11:53 AM #6

I plan to reach up to 1.29v using an LLC of 4 and check the outcomes. My voltage is set manually, and I haven't changed any other settings. The motherboard is an Asus Prime Z370-A with three intake fans on the bottom (120mm each), four exhaust fans (120mm each), and a H100i AIO 240mm for the CPU.

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bigl30mine
Member
169
08-17-2017, 03:49 AM
#7
When AVX is turned off in Prime95, the processor maintains a consistent speed of 4.6ghz. Activating AVX results in an underclocking to 4100mhz.
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bigl30mine
08-17-2017, 03:49 AM #7

When AVX is turned off in Prime95, the processor maintains a consistent speed of 4.6ghz. Activating AVX results in an underclocking to 4100mhz.

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Cloee77
Junior Member
16
08-20-2017, 09:52 AM
#8
These are your temperatures during this situation. Have you tried running OCCT with certain AVX tasks to record per-core and TjMax figures while testing? It could still be related to power or secondary thermal issues due to the significant drop. I might consider dropping any AVX offset and then tweaking your motherboard's TjMax to better support AVX workloads. This approach is just one idea but could be useful if your board supports it, since many modern applications now use AVX-optimized instructions. Doing this would likely prevent frequency drops in AVX offset scenarios.

On Asus boards (including the Maximus XI Hero), you can adjust the Maximum CPU Core Temperature to effectively change TjMax. Other models work similarly.

A video from Buildzoid in 2020 explored whether to use AVX offset or not. You can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmBDFYyFAcQ.

The Overclock.net article also mentions ThrottleStop as a tool that allows setting different AVX offsets if needed.
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Cloee77
08-20-2017, 09:52 AM #8

These are your temperatures during this situation. Have you tried running OCCT with certain AVX tasks to record per-core and TjMax figures while testing? It could still be related to power or secondary thermal issues due to the significant drop. I might consider dropping any AVX offset and then tweaking your motherboard's TjMax to better support AVX workloads. This approach is just one idea but could be useful if your board supports it, since many modern applications now use AVX-optimized instructions. Doing this would likely prevent frequency drops in AVX offset scenarios.

On Asus boards (including the Maximus XI Hero), you can adjust the Maximum CPU Core Temperature to effectively change TjMax. Other models work similarly.

A video from Buildzoid in 2020 explored whether to use AVX offset or not. You can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmBDFYyFAcQ.

The Overclock.net article also mentions ThrottleStop as a tool that allows setting different AVX offsets if needed.

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EisTeeKlaus
Senior Member
490
08-20-2017, 02:53 PM
#9
Many 8700K systems aimed for a minimum of 4.7 GHz across all cores, since that was the maximum turbo setting available on a single core.
I would think about reverting your BIOS to its default configuration, activating XMP, turning on MCE (which aims for 4.7 GHz on all cores if thermal and power limits permit), then possibly setting up or adjusting Intel's XTU for AVX offsets, modifying core voltage settings, targeting the exact desired clock speeds, etc. In case of a crash or unstable shutdown, XTU will revert to standard settings, avoiding complications with BIOS adjustments.
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EisTeeKlaus
08-20-2017, 02:53 PM #9

Many 8700K systems aimed for a minimum of 4.7 GHz across all cores, since that was the maximum turbo setting available on a single core.
I would think about reverting your BIOS to its default configuration, activating XMP, turning on MCE (which aims for 4.7 GHz on all cores if thermal and power limits permit), then possibly setting up or adjusting Intel's XTU for AVX offsets, modifying core voltage settings, targeting the exact desired clock speeds, etc. In case of a crash or unstable shutdown, XTU will revert to standard settings, avoiding complications with BIOS adjustments.

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Sam010
Member
79
08-22-2017, 04:22 AM
#10
Adjusted the VID to 1.27v. Prime requires 1.3v+ for a 4.4GHz all core setup. The CPU will further reduce its clock speed to maintain voltage supply from the CPU's needs. To achieve 4.4GHz in Prime, the VID must be increased by an extra 0.2v above demand.
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Sam010
08-22-2017, 04:22 AM #10

Adjusted the VID to 1.27v. Prime requires 1.3v+ for a 4.4GHz all core setup. The CPU will further reduce its clock speed to maintain voltage supply from the CPU's needs. To achieve 4.4GHz in Prime, the VID must be increased by an extra 0.2v above demand.

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