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11-22-2016, 02:01 PM
#11
Sigh Courts emphasize EULAs over selling software. You’re the user, not the owner. You can’t resell the license since you aren’t an authorized distributor, right? These are the cases you mentioned, though I don’t see clear evidence from 1993. An EULA isn’t a formal contract, is it? When I bought Windows 10 from Best Buy, did the transaction really start? Have I signed anything yet? Who actually owns that CD and the key? It’s me. I install the disc and it asks me to accept the EULA—I even said no, but it still goes through. Still, I regret not reading it first, skipping cancellation or installation, then realizing I lost my key later... I entered it and activated Windows, accepting the EULA. Probably had to buy a key afterward. The worst that could happen is a strange story. (No illegal actions on my part.) The issues you mention are probably just minor legal matters or unrelated court decisions about Windows 10 activation.
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ArianaGrandeJr
11-22-2016, 02:01 PM #11

Sigh Courts emphasize EULAs over selling software. You’re the user, not the owner. You can’t resell the license since you aren’t an authorized distributor, right? These are the cases you mentioned, though I don’t see clear evidence from 1993. An EULA isn’t a formal contract, is it? When I bought Windows 10 from Best Buy, did the transaction really start? Have I signed anything yet? Who actually owns that CD and the key? It’s me. I install the disc and it asks me to accept the EULA—I even said no, but it still goes through. Still, I regret not reading it first, skipping cancellation or installation, then realizing I lost my key later... I entered it and activated Windows, accepting the EULA. Probably had to buy a key afterward. The worst that could happen is a strange story. (No illegal actions on my part.) The issues you mention are probably just minor legal matters or unrelated court decisions about Windows 10 activation.

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Marcustheduke
Senior Member
679
11-28-2016, 12:57 AM
#12
We probably could chat in person about some of my homemade honey mead, Heathen style. Check out your photo—my emblem is a wolf too. My gym even has its own dog, a mastiff named Fenrir.
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Marcustheduke
11-28-2016, 12:57 AM #12

We probably could chat in person about some of my homemade honey mead, Heathen style. Check out your photo—my emblem is a wolf too. My gym even has its own dog, a mastiff named Fenrir.

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ImACrazyMango
Member
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12-04-2016, 10:09 AM
#13
Disagree with this approach. Install Windows 10 immediately and disregard the EULA request. Cancel activation at the end. This method always leads to installation. Depending on circumstances, courts may treat an EULA as a contract, but that doesn’t make it one. Legality hinges on downloading software without intent to use it without activation. If you purchase a key from Ebay (which isn’t illegal for me in the USA), visit the MS website, download the ISO, and follow prompts to get the key. Once you legally obtain the ISO and install it, enter the key and accept the EULA—no illegal activity was performed. The risk lies with the seller, not with me.
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ImACrazyMango
12-04-2016, 10:09 AM #13

Disagree with this approach. Install Windows 10 immediately and disregard the EULA request. Cancel activation at the end. This method always leads to installation. Depending on circumstances, courts may treat an EULA as a contract, but that doesn’t make it one. Legality hinges on downloading software without intent to use it without activation. If you purchase a key from Ebay (which isn’t illegal for me in the USA), visit the MS website, download the ISO, and follow prompts to get the key. Once you legally obtain the ISO and install it, enter the key and accept the EULA—no illegal activity was performed. The risk lies with the seller, not with me.

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Nickpresident
Junior Member
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12-05-2016, 08:37 AM
#14
We're discussing a country within the EU. The EULA isn't treated as a binding contract there, and it's generally not enforceable. It's completely legal to purchase and use OEM keys across the EU. Save on costs and avoid the misleading claims about EULAs being legally binding.
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Nickpresident
12-05-2016, 08:37 AM #14

We're discussing a country within the EU. The EULA isn't treated as a binding contract there, and it's generally not enforceable. It's completely legal to purchase and use OEM keys across the EU. Save on costs and avoid the misleading claims about EULAs being legally binding.

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Asuno971
Junior Member
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12-05-2016, 01:15 PM
#15
This situation technically allows only that the MS blacklists keys or refuses activation. That’s their sole right, even under the EULA terms. Since buyers generally can’t reasonably determine how keys are obtained, the EULA becomes less important from a user standpoint. The conversation centers on personal ethics—whether someone is prepared to purchase items acquired illegally. Because MS doesn’t broadly blacklist keys despite awareness, the EULA discussion loses much of its relevance. If distributors or manufacturers were involved, the issue would be more pressing as they could face legal consequences.
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Asuno971
12-05-2016, 01:15 PM #15

This situation technically allows only that the MS blacklists keys or refuses activation. That’s their sole right, even under the EULA terms. Since buyers generally can’t reasonably determine how keys are obtained, the EULA becomes less important from a user standpoint. The conversation centers on personal ethics—whether someone is prepared to purchase items acquired illegally. Because MS doesn’t broadly blacklist keys despite awareness, the EULA discussion loses much of its relevance. If distributors or manufacturers were involved, the issue would be more pressing as they could face legal consequences.

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langesaeter
Member
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12-07-2016, 04:20 AM
#16
You are correct—there’s a legal way to obtain the key. As a buyer, you’re not engaging in any unlawful activity. In UCITA or similar regulations, nothing you do is prohibited. I’ve reviewed the links and discussed this with lawyers; there’s no concern here. This isn’t related to drugs like pot, cocaine, heroin, or peyote. It’s simply a key for activating software.
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langesaeter
12-07-2016, 04:20 AM #16

You are correct—there’s a legal way to obtain the key. As a buyer, you’re not engaging in any unlawful activity. In UCITA or similar regulations, nothing you do is prohibited. I’ve reviewed the links and discussed this with lawyers; there’s no concern here. This isn’t related to drugs like pot, cocaine, heroin, or peyote. It’s simply a key for activating software.

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MegaJellyPants
Junior Member
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12-07-2016, 10:39 PM
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ChloeET
Senior Member
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12-08-2016, 12:13 AM
#18
I'm not the only one unaware of the rules. I regularly collaborate with law enforcement across various areas. My role is as a Combatives Instructor for the Jefferson City HW Patrol, and I work with local police from STL to Warrenton MO. Microsoft's approach to court cases involving purchases on eBay seems confusing. The process of buying a key, downloading an ISO, and activating an OS through that key doesn't align with current regulations. It appears there may be misunderstandings about digital laws, copyrights, consumer rights, and EULAs. You should carefully review your position on this matter.
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ChloeET
12-08-2016, 12:13 AM #18

I'm not the only one unaware of the rules. I regularly collaborate with law enforcement across various areas. My role is as a Combatives Instructor for the Jefferson City HW Patrol, and I work with local police from STL to Warrenton MO. Microsoft's approach to court cases involving purchases on eBay seems confusing. The process of buying a key, downloading an ISO, and activating an OS through that key doesn't align with current regulations. It appears there may be misunderstandings about digital laws, copyrights, consumer rights, and EULAs. You should carefully review your position on this matter.

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Neonfluzzycat
Member
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12-26-2016, 08:16 AM
#19
I believe you're focusing too much on the Contract and EULA differences @valdyrgramr - let's move forward. It's fine if I'm mistaken, but a signed EULA isn't required, and only the government defines what the digital key means. They need to confirm I truly agreed, not someone else. Good luck with this. Ultimately, I haven't broken any laws by buying this key from eBay and using it with a Windows 10 ISO. It doesn't matter what you think about it.
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Neonfluzzycat
12-26-2016, 08:16 AM #19

I believe you're focusing too much on the Contract and EULA differences @valdyrgramr - let's move forward. It's fine if I'm mistaken, but a signed EULA isn't required, and only the government defines what the digital key means. They need to confirm I truly agreed, not someone else. Good luck with this. Ultimately, I haven't broken any laws by buying this key from eBay and using it with a Windows 10 ISO. It doesn't matter what you think about it.

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Taybaybay
Posting Freak
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01-06-2017, 04:54 AM
#20
I’m not obligated to be a lawyer. Try to stay calm about the government and understand your rights. How I get a Windows 10 key is...well, it’s not my concern. They’re only monitored by...gasp...probably Microsoft. If Microsoft identifies a key they think isn’t safe for personal use (and can show you shouldn’t have it), they can just remove it from the list. You probably don’t get this. I mean, seriously. This has already been talked about more times than you can count here. Just keep going—pay what you need and feel better about yourself compared to others. I won’t be in court, never will, and definitely not for anyone else. Because it doesn’t happen. Just keep bringing up a case, but make sure it’s real. Don’t just say you’ve read something online; back it up with actual information. If you really want me to believe you have a strong position, give me clear facts instead of vague statements like “I’ve read this.” I can actually grasp what’s going on if you want to see.
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Taybaybay
01-06-2017, 04:54 AM #20

I’m not obligated to be a lawyer. Try to stay calm about the government and understand your rights. How I get a Windows 10 key is...well, it’s not my concern. They’re only monitored by...gasp...probably Microsoft. If Microsoft identifies a key they think isn’t safe for personal use (and can show you shouldn’t have it), they can just remove it from the list. You probably don’t get this. I mean, seriously. This has already been talked about more times than you can count here. Just keep going—pay what you need and feel better about yourself compared to others. I won’t be in court, never will, and definitely not for anyone else. Because it doesn’t happen. Just keep bringing up a case, but make sure it’s real. Don’t just say you’ve read something online; back it up with actual information. If you really want me to believe you have a strong position, give me clear facts instead of vague statements like “I’ve read this.” I can actually grasp what’s going on if you want to see.

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