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User - Groups problem Win 11 Pro

User - Groups problem Win 11 Pro

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Eeisomhour
Junior Member
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09-13-2021, 11:57 AM
#1
Hi!
Your first question on the forum is clear. I built a new computer from scratch, installed it with a European language version 24H2 and updated it with standard updates via Windows Update. It will function as a kiosk, but it doesn’t quite fit the needs of our historic society. Once fully installed, it will be offline and require manual updates. I have created the necessary users, an extra admin, and guest accounts that can log in. The guests are only allowed to search for information and retrieve printouts or access two files—one text and one photo.

I added a non-administrator group containing both people and standard users who add data, while guests consume data. However, restricting non-administrators also affected the standard users, so I attempted to create more strict local group permissions for guests, but I couldn’t set up such a group in MMC. No guest group was found there!

In lusrmgr.msc I created both user accounts and the guest users, placing the guests in the guests group. This group appears in lusrmgr, the computer management console, MMC, Gpedit, and netplwiz.

Are you missing any information? Also, when trying to use CoPilot, it suggested using the same method as for non-administrators.

Any advice on creating a snap-in in MMC for guests? Or is there another approach I should consider?
Thanks,
Bagtjesen
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Eeisomhour
09-13-2021, 11:57 AM #1

Hi!
Your first question on the forum is clear. I built a new computer from scratch, installed it with a European language version 24H2 and updated it with standard updates via Windows Update. It will function as a kiosk, but it doesn’t quite fit the needs of our historic society. Once fully installed, it will be offline and require manual updates. I have created the necessary users, an extra admin, and guest accounts that can log in. The guests are only allowed to search for information and retrieve printouts or access two files—one text and one photo.

I added a non-administrator group containing both people and standard users who add data, while guests consume data. However, restricting non-administrators also affected the standard users, so I attempted to create more strict local group permissions for guests, but I couldn’t set up such a group in MMC. No guest group was found there!

In lusrmgr.msc I created both user accounts and the guest users, placing the guests in the guests group. This group appears in lusrmgr, the computer management console, MMC, Gpedit, and netplwiz.

Are you missing any information? Also, when trying to use CoPilot, it suggested using the same method as for non-administrators.

Any advice on creating a snap-in in MMC for guests? Or is there another approach I should consider?
Thanks,
Bagtjesen

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timo_1892
Senior Member
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09-14-2021, 07:58 PM
#2
Examine your permissions list and how they're being spread. Any setting marked as "deny" will override all others within the group. Also, pay close attention to the file system being used. Permissions are only applicable to NTFS-formatted volumes.
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timo_1892
09-14-2021, 07:58 PM #2

Examine your permissions list and how they're being spread. Any setting marked as "deny" will override all others within the group. Also, pay close attention to the file system being used. Permissions are only applicable to NTFS-formatted volumes.

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Velizar06
Posting Freak
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09-15-2021, 02:46 AM
#3
Hi, currently there are no special permissions beyond the usual ones. For each group, the default installation is used, and an extra admin account has been added to the adminstrators group. The same applies to the two guest accounts—one for left-handed and one for right-handed—both within the guests group.

The adjustments I attempted when testing non-administrator rights were fully reset by restoring the original registry file. After confirming, everything functioned as expected.

There are no issues with partitions, NTFS GPTs, or similar components. Following standard procedures, I performed overnight Xmemory tests; all partitions passed inspection. I verified that non-administrator settings operated correctly, though not as robustly as anticipated.

Why would a user in both Administrators and Users groups (default setup) be impacted by non-administrator changes? Wouldn't an administrator override user group configurations?

Bagtjesen
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Velizar06
09-15-2021, 02:46 AM #3

Hi, currently there are no special permissions beyond the usual ones. For each group, the default installation is used, and an extra admin account has been added to the adminstrators group. The same applies to the two guest accounts—one for left-handed and one for right-handed—both within the guests group.

The adjustments I attempted when testing non-administrator rights were fully reset by restoring the original registry file. After confirming, everything functioned as expected.

There are no issues with partitions, NTFS GPTs, or similar components. Following standard procedures, I performed overnight Xmemory tests; all partitions passed inspection. I verified that non-administrator settings operated correctly, though not as robustly as anticipated.

Why would a user in both Administrators and Users groups (default setup) be impacted by non-administrator changes? Wouldn't an administrator override user group configurations?

Bagtjesen

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TommyTheLommy
Posting Freak
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09-15-2021, 08:12 AM
#4
Reviewing how permissions function for user accounts involved in several groups is essential. Understand that the strictest access rules take precedence.
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TommyTheLommy
09-15-2021, 08:12 AM #4

Reviewing how permissions function for user accounts involved in several groups is essential. Understand that the strictest access rules take precedence.

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nicolasman2
Junior Member
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09-15-2021, 09:19 AM
#5
Hey ex_bubblehead!
Just wanted to mention that I'll update the users and groups to resolve that issue. Still wondering why I can't locate the Guests user group and apply restrictions there. It seems non-administrators really impact standard users, and I need to distinguish between guests, regular users, and admins.
Bagtjesen
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nicolasman2
09-15-2021, 09:19 AM #5

Hey ex_bubblehead!
Just wanted to mention that I'll update the users and groups to resolve that issue. Still wondering why I can't locate the Guests user group and apply restrictions there. It seems non-administrators really impact standard users, and I need to distinguish between guests, regular users, and admins.
Bagtjesen