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Upgrading for the future with Ryzen processors

Upgrading for the future with Ryzen processors

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ketman34
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06-18-2019, 08:28 PM
#11
It won’t be any worse than what Intel does about half the time. Nothing better, of course. Maybe we’ve grown accustomed to AMD outperforming Intel all the time. I’m not thrilled about “sometimes as bad as,” but that’s just how it is.
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ketman34
06-18-2019, 08:28 PM #11

It won’t be any worse than what Intel does about half the time. Nothing better, of course. Maybe we’ve grown accustomed to AMD outperforming Intel all the time. I’m not thrilled about “sometimes as bad as,” but that’s just how it is.

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Oh_Choppa
Junior Member
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06-19-2019, 12:06 AM
#12
Hey.... Atleast AMD came and gave Intel some competition so that we can be graced with cheaper and better performing components. AMD is even giving Nvidia a run considering they are forcing them to adopt a yearly/bi-yearly release of products (given that 3000 series Nvidia cards are around the corner). I feel like PC gaming will be cheaper than ever before being that 1st gen ryzen and a decent card (1070 or 1080) will be cut down in value with new AM5 and 3000 m series Nvidia. I'm planning on upgrading to a 2080 (or ti) when 3000 series Nvidia comes out, rather than buying new architecture. People will be able to find a decent 1070 or RX 580 (i7 or R7) rig for under $700, or atleast I hope they will.
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Oh_Choppa
06-19-2019, 12:06 AM #12

Hey.... Atleast AMD came and gave Intel some competition so that we can be graced with cheaper and better performing components. AMD is even giving Nvidia a run considering they are forcing them to adopt a yearly/bi-yearly release of products (given that 3000 series Nvidia cards are around the corner). I feel like PC gaming will be cheaper than ever before being that 1st gen ryzen and a decent card (1070 or 1080) will be cut down in value with new AM5 and 3000 m series Nvidia. I'm planning on upgrading to a 2080 (or ti) when 3000 series Nvidia comes out, rather than buying new architecture. People will be able to find a decent 1070 or RX 580 (i7 or R7) rig for under $700, or atleast I hope they will.

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Serratata
Junior Member
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06-19-2019, 07:24 AM
#13
They said AMD got hit hard, but the 4000 series Ryzen is coming. Motherboard makers admit there isn’t enough space on the BIOS memory chips.
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Serratata
06-19-2019, 07:24 AM #13

They said AMD got hit hard, but the 4000 series Ryzen is coming. Motherboard makers admit there isn’t enough space on the BIOS memory chips.

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Kai4Christ
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06-20-2019, 06:09 PM
#14
I completely agree. Active duopoly is far superior to monopoly. Or the inactive version, which closely resembles monopoly. This explains why I’m more open-minded and willing to consider their advantages. They’re the only factor preventing the wolf from entering.
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Kai4Christ
06-20-2019, 06:09 PM #14

I completely agree. Active duopoly is far superior to monopoly. Or the inactive version, which closely resembles monopoly. This explains why I’m more open-minded and willing to consider their advantages. They’re the only factor preventing the wolf from entering.

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OreoHer0
Member
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06-20-2019, 06:37 PM
#15
The common explanations about limited bios space have been debunked by several tech creators. Many X370 and X470 models come with large bios chips, making the "insufficient space" argument invalid.
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OreoHer0
06-20-2019, 06:37 PM #15

The common explanations about limited bios space have been debunked by several tech creators. Many X370 and X470 models come with large bios chips, making the "insufficient space" argument invalid.

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Oskar2502
Member
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06-20-2019, 07:02 PM
#16
some people do it and others don’t, and I wouldn’t think 32MB is a big deal. The issue lies in people relying on consumers who likely don’t understand what a BIOS does when researching motherboard sizes. If AMD claims X470 boards work with a 32MB chip, consumers might accept it. But when they buy something and find out it doesn’t fit, they get frustrated. I’m checking some X470 boards to see how many have 16MB versus 32MB chips, but it’s tough to spot them for certain models. For example, the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon has a note saying some BIOS support was removed because of size limits, suggesting it probably has a 16MB chip. The Aorus Gaming 7 also lacks that support, and if I can’t find it, most regular users probably won’t have a chance.
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Oskar2502
06-20-2019, 07:02 PM #16

some people do it and others don’t, and I wouldn’t think 32MB is a big deal. The issue lies in people relying on consumers who likely don’t understand what a BIOS does when researching motherboard sizes. If AMD claims X470 boards work with a 32MB chip, consumers might accept it. But when they buy something and find out it doesn’t fit, they get frustrated. I’m checking some X470 boards to see how many have 16MB versus 32MB chips, but it’s tough to spot them for certain models. For example, the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon has a note saying some BIOS support was removed because of size limits, suggesting it probably has a 16MB chip. The Aorus Gaming 7 also lacks that support, and if I can’t find it, most regular users probably won’t have a chance.

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Adabelle
Senior Member
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06-26-2019, 02:48 PM
#17
Is 3700x future-proof enough? I bought it and haven’t unlocked it yet… or should I bring it back for the Ryzen 4000v?
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Adabelle
06-26-2019, 02:48 PM #17

Is 3700x future-proof enough? I bought it and haven’t unlocked it yet… or should I bring it back for the Ryzen 4000v?

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Ztyx_
Junior Member
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06-28-2019, 09:50 AM
#18
It should suffice to have a quicker CPU than what is currently offered for the PS5/Scarlett. This could extend up to five years, depending on how console makers proceed. It seems there are storage concerns too. This specific problem is unclear to me. A CPU might not be sufficient. For added interest, the Ryzen 4000 is compatible only with one motherboard at the moment (x570). Predicting what’s ahead is challenging. The entire decade of functional CPUs Intel has produced since Sandy Bridge isn’t expected to return in a meaningful way soon. If future-proofing is what Sandy Bridge represented, I doubt it will be possible anytime soon.
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Ztyx_
06-28-2019, 09:50 AM #18

It should suffice to have a quicker CPU than what is currently offered for the PS5/Scarlett. This could extend up to five years, depending on how console makers proceed. It seems there are storage concerns too. This specific problem is unclear to me. A CPU might not be sufficient. For added interest, the Ryzen 4000 is compatible only with one motherboard at the moment (x570). Predicting what’s ahead is challenging. The entire decade of functional CPUs Intel has produced since Sandy Bridge isn’t expected to return in a meaningful way soon. If future-proofing is what Sandy Bridge represented, I doubt it will be possible anytime soon.

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pocio77
Posting Freak
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06-28-2019, 10:31 PM
#19
It seems the Ryzen 4xxx lineup will remain viable for several years until DDR5 becomes mainstream and PCI-E 5.0 appears. Buying a B450 board now feels frustrating given the upcoming news, but consider the bigger picture. Many affordable B450 boards—around $70-80—can support 3950X, which isn’t too bad. This year Intel and AMD are likely to finalize a platform that ends DDR4, and the socket sizes we’re familiar with will probably stick around. If you assemble a PC using a Z490 (if Rocket Lake rumors hold) or X570, it could last a long time. Even then, future upgrades will bring new cases, power supplies, and cooling solutions.
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pocio77
06-28-2019, 10:31 PM #19

It seems the Ryzen 4xxx lineup will remain viable for several years until DDR5 becomes mainstream and PCI-E 5.0 appears. Buying a B450 board now feels frustrating given the upcoming news, but consider the bigger picture. Many affordable B450 boards—around $70-80—can support 3950X, which isn’t too bad. This year Intel and AMD are likely to finalize a platform that ends DDR4, and the socket sizes we’re familiar with will probably stick around. If you assemble a PC using a Z490 (if Rocket Lake rumors hold) or X570, it could last a long time. Even then, future upgrades will bring new cases, power supplies, and cooling solutions.

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aqilthebro
Member
157
06-29-2019, 06:53 AM
#20
I was considering this and a video I watched said the first update of a new memory is often similar to or even slower than the top models from the previous generation, since it needs time to develop. Perhaps I should stick with the best AM4 version and wait 3 to 6 years... or maybe not. It's tough to decide when to upgrade. The main point is that new releases keep coming, and waiting means missing out. I wonder how long it will take for the GPU to fully support PCI-E 4.0.
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aqilthebro
06-29-2019, 06:53 AM #20

I was considering this and a video I watched said the first update of a new memory is often similar to or even slower than the top models from the previous generation, since it needs time to develop. Perhaps I should stick with the best AM4 version and wait 3 to 6 years... or maybe not. It's tough to decide when to upgrade. The main point is that new releases keep coming, and waiting means missing out. I wonder how long it will take for the GPU to fully support PCI-E 4.0.

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