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Unable to achieve a command rate of 1N on Z370 Micro ATX motherboard

Unable to achieve a command rate of 1N on Z370 Micro ATX motherboard

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eyal1203
Junior Member
23
06-19-2021, 09:00 AM
#1
Hi, I just upgraded my RAM from a DDR4 F4-3200C16D-16GTZB to F4-3600C14D-32GTZNA. Everything seems fine, and the DRAM won’t reach a Command Rate of 1N. If I attempt it, it won’t post. Should I follow the suggestion from the HardwareCanucks forum—raising the voltage to enable 1N and by how much? These RAM models aren’t listed on QVL or EVGA’s site either. Any advice would be appreciated.

F4-3200C16D-16GTZB Specs:
Capacity: 16GB (8GBx2)
Tested Speed (XMP): 3200 MT/s
Tested Latency (XMP): 16-18-18-38
Tested Voltage (XMP): 1.35V

F4-3600C14D-32GTZNA Specs:
Capacity: 32GB (16GBx2)
Tested Speed (XMP): 3600 MT/s
Tested Latency (XMP): 14-14-14-34
Tested Voltage (XMP): 1.45V

I have:
Intel Core I7-9700k
EVGA Z370 Micro ATX
Noctua NH-D14
Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti FE
https://hardwarecanucks.com/forum/thread...eds.79520/

Why can’t these DDR4 3600 CL14 achieve a 1T command rate? (Alderlake 12900k)
Asus rog strix z690-gaming A DDR4 motherboard, and the RAM I bought were: https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories...tech-specs
Memory Size 16GB (2 x 8GB)
Tested Latency 14-16-16-36
Tested Voltage 1.45
Tested Speed...
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eyal1203
06-19-2021, 09:00 AM #1

Hi, I just upgraded my RAM from a DDR4 F4-3200C16D-16GTZB to F4-3600C14D-32GTZNA. Everything seems fine, and the DRAM won’t reach a Command Rate of 1N. If I attempt it, it won’t post. Should I follow the suggestion from the HardwareCanucks forum—raising the voltage to enable 1N and by how much? These RAM models aren’t listed on QVL or EVGA’s site either. Any advice would be appreciated.

F4-3200C16D-16GTZB Specs:
Capacity: 16GB (8GBx2)
Tested Speed (XMP): 3200 MT/s
Tested Latency (XMP): 16-18-18-38
Tested Voltage (XMP): 1.35V

F4-3600C14D-32GTZNA Specs:
Capacity: 32GB (16GBx2)
Tested Speed (XMP): 3600 MT/s
Tested Latency (XMP): 14-14-14-34
Tested Voltage (XMP): 1.45V

I have:
Intel Core I7-9700k
EVGA Z370 Micro ATX
Noctua NH-D14
Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti FE
https://hardwarecanucks.com/forum/thread...eds.79520/

Why can’t these DDR4 3600 CL14 achieve a 1T command rate? (Alderlake 12900k)
Asus rog strix z690-gaming A DDR4 motherboard, and the RAM I bought were: https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories...tech-specs
Memory Size 16GB (2 x 8GB)
Tested Latency 14-16-16-36
Tested Voltage 1.45
Tested Speed...

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Scarecrowz
Junior Member
3
06-19-2021, 12:22 PM
#2
That 3600 is definitely a B Die. In fact, Samsung B dies, Micron 8Gbit Rev E and 16Gbit rev B can run pure 1T (no gear down mode on both Intel and AMD). Hynix DJR might work too, but it's inconsistent. You should probably adjust the tRFC to 630 and try CL16 Flat with XMP timings. Keep in mind you're running two ranks on B dies.
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Scarecrowz
06-19-2021, 12:22 PM #2

That 3600 is definitely a B Die. In fact, Samsung B dies, Micron 8Gbit Rev E and 16Gbit rev B can run pure 1T (no gear down mode on both Intel and AMD). Hynix DJR might work too, but it's inconsistent. You should probably adjust the tRFC to 630 and try CL16 Flat with XMP timings. Keep in mind you're running two ranks on B dies.

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Einhorn_Kevin
Member
94
06-19-2021, 01:56 PM
#3
Command rate is influenced by RAM architecture based on the number of chip ranks. Attempting to modify this should be avoided.
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Einhorn_Kevin
06-19-2021, 01:56 PM #3

Command rate is influenced by RAM architecture based on the number of chip ranks. Attempting to modify this should be avoided.

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MrCm
Senior Member
636
06-20-2021, 07:42 AM
#4
Uhm, okay. i did some tweaking and yea. No way around it, i tried to bump up DRAM voltage to 1.46, 1.475, 1.5v and it did not work. Thanks again!
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MrCm
06-20-2021, 07:42 AM #4

Uhm, okay. i did some tweaking and yea. No way around it, i tried to bump up DRAM voltage to 1.46, 1.475, 1.5v and it did not work. Thanks again!

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FoRgEt77
Junior Member
20
06-28-2021, 09:10 PM
#5
The same issue occurs with the Alder Lake CPU, but with the DDR4 3600 CL34 motherboard. The memory I bought has these specs and was tested at various speeds.
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FoRgEt77
06-28-2021, 09:10 PM #5

The same issue occurs with the Alder Lake CPU, but with the DDR4 3600 CL34 motherboard. The memory I bought has these specs and was tested at various speeds.

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Murica1776
Member
208
06-28-2021, 09:54 PM
#6
That 3600 is definitely a B Die. In fact, Samsung B dies, Micron 8Gbit Rev E and 16Gbit rev B can run pure 1T without any gear down mode on both Intel and AMD. Hynix DJR might work too, but it’s inconsistent. You should probably adjust the tRFC to 630 and use CL16 Flat with XMP timings. Keep in mind you’re running two ranks on B dies.

On the AMD side, the ProcODT and Rtt numbers are key for stable OC performance on pure Dual Rank RAM, as your memory is more AMD-optimized. You could try enabling the XMP profile manually at 2T, then capture a screenshot of the Asrock Timing Config (download it here) and check the VCCSA/IO after enabling XMP (use HWInfo64 for details).

Here’s my personal screenshot if that helps:
Asrock Timing Config (and aida results):
Voltages (VCCSA and VCCIO are shown):
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Murica1776
06-28-2021, 09:54 PM #6

That 3600 is definitely a B Die. In fact, Samsung B dies, Micron 8Gbit Rev E and 16Gbit rev B can run pure 1T without any gear down mode on both Intel and AMD. Hynix DJR might work too, but it’s inconsistent. You should probably adjust the tRFC to 630 and use CL16 Flat with XMP timings. Keep in mind you’re running two ranks on B dies.

On the AMD side, the ProcODT and Rtt numbers are key for stable OC performance on pure Dual Rank RAM, as your memory is more AMD-optimized. You could try enabling the XMP profile manually at 2T, then capture a screenshot of the Asrock Timing Config (download it here) and check the VCCSA/IO after enabling XMP (use HWInfo64 for details).

Here’s my personal screenshot if that helps:
Asrock Timing Config (and aida results):
Voltages (VCCSA and VCCIO are shown):

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Niclasskills
Junior Member
5
06-29-2021, 02:13 AM
#7
Just let me know when I can assist.
It's definitely a Samsung B die.
https://imgur.com/a/HUIq7Ye
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Niclasskills
06-29-2021, 02:13 AM #7

Just let me know when I can assist.
It's definitely a Samsung B die.
https://imgur.com/a/HUIq7Ye

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flecx
Member
50
06-30-2021, 10:39 AM
#8
Tested those configurations. No posting occurred.
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flecx
06-30-2021, 10:39 AM #8

Tested those configurations. No posting occurred.

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x_ItzMara_x
Junior Member
12
07-01-2021, 11:36 AM
#9
what are the values?
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x_ItzMara_x
07-01-2021, 11:36 AM #9

what are the values?

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Mundojogador
Member
67
07-08-2021, 06:39 AM
#10
tRFC to 630 and (16-16-16-32) using XMP timings on CR 1N
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Mundojogador
07-08-2021, 06:39 AM #10

tRFC to 630 and (16-16-16-32) using XMP timings on CR 1N

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