F5F Stay Refreshed Software Operating Systems This feature depends on your Microsoft account!

This feature depends on your Microsoft account!

This feature depends on your Microsoft account!

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_chegoo_
Junior Member
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06-13-2021, 10:44 PM
#1
Windows 11 is pushing Microsoft Accounts as a must for new setups, sparking worries about privacy and competition issues. However, few have mentioned how logging in with an account actually powers Windows: the core issue lies in the fact that even though Windows shows your account name, it still needs a genuine username. (For example, the one shown when you run the "net users" command or the one required for terminal tasks or when naming your user folder.) The challenge is that it picks the first five letters of your email address at setup time! Moreover, even with Windows Hello, a real password is still needed. It uses the Microsoft account password during PC setup—why? Because so many services depend on these authentic login details. Not just command lines or file systems, but almost all Windows features introduced before Windows 10 rely on this info. Network folders, shared directories, and more are affected. Things get worse when you try to change them forcefully via the command line—settings don’t allow it. Sometimes it fails, restores changes, or even crashes the installation (this has happened to me). We haven’t discussed how many organizations use a central data server for user data, making login from any connected PC impossible.
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_chegoo_
06-13-2021, 10:44 PM #1

Windows 11 is pushing Microsoft Accounts as a must for new setups, sparking worries about privacy and competition issues. However, few have mentioned how logging in with an account actually powers Windows: the core issue lies in the fact that even though Windows shows your account name, it still needs a genuine username. (For example, the one shown when you run the "net users" command or the one required for terminal tasks or when naming your user folder.) The challenge is that it picks the first five letters of your email address at setup time! Moreover, even with Windows Hello, a real password is still needed. It uses the Microsoft account password during PC setup—why? Because so many services depend on these authentic login details. Not just command lines or file systems, but almost all Windows features introduced before Windows 10 rely on this info. Network folders, shared directories, and more are affected. Things get worse when you try to change them forcefully via the command line—settings don’t allow it. Sometimes it fails, restores changes, or even crashes the installation (this has happened to me). We haven’t discussed how many organizations use a central data server for user data, making login from any connected PC impossible.

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LilStege
Member
205
06-13-2021, 11:55 PM
#2
Businesses and organizations are anticipated to use Windows Enterprise or Education editions that meet these criteria. Still, I believe you can still bypass the need for an MS account by applying this method to set up Windows 11 offline. After launching the Out of Box Experience, press Shift + F10 to open the command prompt and type: taskkill /F /IM oobenetworkconnectionflow.exe Then close the prompt.
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LilStege
06-13-2021, 11:55 PM #2

Businesses and organizations are anticipated to use Windows Enterprise or Education editions that meet these criteria. Still, I believe you can still bypass the need for an MS account by applying this method to set up Windows 11 offline. After launching the Out of Box Experience, press Shift + F10 to open the command prompt and type: taskkill /F /IM oobenetworkconnectionflow.exe Then close the prompt.

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UDK
Member
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06-14-2021, 01:21 AM
#3
The Enterprise and Education editions have specific constraints. Removing potential shortcuts led to this message. While non-technical users can't leverage those shortcuts, they still rely on standard Windows capabilities such as file sharing.
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UDK
06-14-2021, 01:21 AM #3

The Enterprise and Education editions have specific constraints. Removing potential shortcuts led to this message. While non-technical users can't leverage those shortcuts, they still rely on standard Windows capabilities such as file sharing.

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LeCrafteur974
Member
174
07-05-2021, 09:11 PM
#4
Microsoft doesn’t require you to create an account just to monitor your activity or link your data to your profile. That’s a misunderstanding. They already possess all the details needed to recognize you, should they choose to. The real point is that Microsoft, Apple (iOS), and Google push users to sign up because it makes their services more accessible. This approach benefits the end user by simplifying access—especially if you already have a Microsoft account, which helps you quickly get started with their offerings.

They introduced the option to connect your computer to a network, allowing you to set an account name, which is standard practice. However, passwords aren’t saved in plain text; they’re securely stored using strong encryption. The system doesn’t store passwords in a readable format, ensuring safety.

When you create a company or school account on a domain-based setup, it’s issued by the organization for you to use. It can’t infer your identity directly from the login details. You’re presented with a standard setup process, asking if your device is a home or work computer. For professional environments, it uses your official email and automatically connects to the company network, applying relevant policies and installing necessary software.

For enterprise and school licenses, you don’t need a Microsoft account. All Windows editions include an Audit Mode (Ctrl+Shift+F3) that lets you create a temporary local account for installing drivers or setting up devices for multiple users. If a company uses Pro, they can assign an admin account like “it@company_name.com” instead of requiring individual sign-ins.

Overall, the design aims to streamline IT management, letting organizations manage access effortlessly while keeping your experience smooth and secure.
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LeCrafteur974
07-05-2021, 09:11 PM #4

Microsoft doesn’t require you to create an account just to monitor your activity or link your data to your profile. That’s a misunderstanding. They already possess all the details needed to recognize you, should they choose to. The real point is that Microsoft, Apple (iOS), and Google push users to sign up because it makes their services more accessible. This approach benefits the end user by simplifying access—especially if you already have a Microsoft account, which helps you quickly get started with their offerings.

They introduced the option to connect your computer to a network, allowing you to set an account name, which is standard practice. However, passwords aren’t saved in plain text; they’re securely stored using strong encryption. The system doesn’t store passwords in a readable format, ensuring safety.

When you create a company or school account on a domain-based setup, it’s issued by the organization for you to use. It can’t infer your identity directly from the login details. You’re presented with a standard setup process, asking if your device is a home or work computer. For professional environments, it uses your official email and automatically connects to the company network, applying relevant policies and installing necessary software.

For enterprise and school licenses, you don’t need a Microsoft account. All Windows editions include an Audit Mode (Ctrl+Shift+F3) that lets you create a temporary local account for installing drivers or setting up devices for multiple users. If a company uses Pro, they can assign an admin account like “it@company_name.com” instead of requiring individual sign-ins.

Overall, the design aims to streamline IT management, letting organizations manage access effortlessly while keeping your experience smooth and secure.

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angelcake_11
Senior Member
540
07-07-2021, 01:51 AM
#5
Regarding the password: When configuring your PC via a Microsoft account, you select your preferred login method. Options include facial recognition, fingerprint, PIN, Microsoft account password, picture-password, or security key. These methods are linked to your Microsoft account. (They can't be used without one). However, the operating system requires a "real" password—like the username and password you provided. This applies to systems not connected to a Microsoft account, as modern computers rely on local users for functionality. Network shares and many services still operate using this hidden local user with your username and password. I discovered through setting up multiple PCs that the "true" username often matches the first five letters of your email address, and the password usually reflects the one you used during initial setup. (Search online for more details: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comme...our_email/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comme...etters_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comme...truncated/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comme...e_without/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comme...er_folder/) Even though Microsoft hashes passwords, it seems they generate a hidden "true" account when you enter your details during setup. This should resolve any concerns.
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angelcake_11
07-07-2021, 01:51 AM #5

Regarding the password: When configuring your PC via a Microsoft account, you select your preferred login method. Options include facial recognition, fingerprint, PIN, Microsoft account password, picture-password, or security key. These methods are linked to your Microsoft account. (They can't be used without one). However, the operating system requires a "real" password—like the username and password you provided. This applies to systems not connected to a Microsoft account, as modern computers rely on local users for functionality. Network shares and many services still operate using this hidden local user with your username and password. I discovered through setting up multiple PCs that the "true" username often matches the first five letters of your email address, and the password usually reflects the one you used during initial setup. (Search online for more details: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comme...our_email/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comme...etters_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comme...truncated/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comme...e_without/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comme...er_folder/) Even though Microsoft hashes passwords, it seems they generate a hidden "true" account when you enter your details during setup. This should resolve any concerns.

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MattThePleb
Junior Member
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07-08-2021, 03:23 PM
#6
Incorrect assumption here. Such a move wouldn't require Microsoft to retire its deployment tools or endpoint configuration manager, since imaging devices would still function. Many sources confirm these changes apply only to Home and Pro editions.
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MattThePleb
07-08-2021, 03:23 PM #6

Incorrect assumption here. Such a move wouldn't require Microsoft to retire its deployment tools or endpoint configuration manager, since imaging devices would still function. Many sources confirm these changes apply only to Home and Pro editions.

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F50_United
Member
183
07-09-2021, 08:41 PM
#7
Now what? You’ll need three separate Windows accounts—one for each person. This would really help clarify the confusion on your daughter’s computer, especially since mixed files and settings can cause big issues. It’s clear that having one account for everything isn’t working well.
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F50_United
07-09-2021, 08:41 PM #7

Now what? You’ll need three separate Windows accounts—one for each person. This would really help clarify the confusion on your daughter’s computer, especially since mixed files and settings can cause big issues. It’s clear that having one account for everything isn’t working well.

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AnteT
Junior Member
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07-15-2021, 07:30 AM
#8
It’s important to keep work and personal life separate. Companies usually provide company-issued laptops or desktops for this reason. Separation is standard whether you’re using Windows or any other operating system. The same applies to phones with a corporate plan—only for professional use. If you don’t have a dual SIM, you’re effectively using two devices. You might need a second account on a dual SIM phone even if you prefer one device. Such requirements are uncommon but possible. Each user should have their own account, which is the core purpose of accounts. This applies whether it’s an MS account or a local login. As a parent, you’ll likely set up a Microsoft-Link account for your child for supervision. Alternatively, you could manually manage usage by controlling the keyboard and mouse, keeping a close eye on online activities.
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AnteT
07-15-2021, 07:30 AM #8

It’s important to keep work and personal life separate. Companies usually provide company-issued laptops or desktops for this reason. Separation is standard whether you’re using Windows or any other operating system. The same applies to phones with a corporate plan—only for professional use. If you don’t have a dual SIM, you’re effectively using two devices. You might need a second account on a dual SIM phone even if you prefer one device. Such requirements are uncommon but possible. Each user should have their own account, which is the core purpose of accounts. This applies whether it’s an MS account or a local login. As a parent, you’ll likely set up a Microsoft-Link account for your child for supervision. Alternatively, you could manually manage usage by controlling the keyboard and mouse, keeping a close eye on online activities.

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666Cobra666
Member
161
07-17-2021, 05:56 AM
#9
while the approach and feelings behind this concept are strong, we’re aware it often faces challenges regularly. It’s disappointing to share this difficult reality—it doesn’t apply universally, especially at the operating system level. Email might be an option with some discipline, but it isn’t always practical for everyone. I’m not suggesting one account per person (like a separate one for each family member), as that would mean a child having their own account at the OS level, not just via email. And let’s not forget how much slower Windows becomes with each additional account. Parental controls aren’t perfect, but they do help to some extent. For my daughter, things seem manageable so far—thank you for your understanding. It wasn’t her fault she needed a personal computer for schoolwork; she was fortunate enough to have one, especially since school replacements were scarce or nonexistent.
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666Cobra666
07-17-2021, 05:56 AM #9

while the approach and feelings behind this concept are strong, we’re aware it often faces challenges regularly. It’s disappointing to share this difficult reality—it doesn’t apply universally, especially at the operating system level. Email might be an option with some discipline, but it isn’t always practical for everyone. I’m not suggesting one account per person (like a separate one for each family member), as that would mean a child having their own account at the OS level, not just via email. And let’s not forget how much slower Windows becomes with each additional account. Parental controls aren’t perfect, but they do help to some extent. For my daughter, things seem manageable so far—thank you for your understanding. It wasn’t her fault she needed a personal computer for schoolwork; she was fortunate enough to have one, especially since school replacements were scarce or nonexistent.

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WF_Catt
Posting Freak
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07-26-2021, 08:43 PM
#10
Review your article on bypassing the Microsoft account condition
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WF_Catt
07-26-2021, 08:43 PM #10

Review your article on bypassing the Microsoft account condition

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