The power needed to reach 3200 speeds depends on your system configuration.
The power needed to reach 3200 speeds depends on your system configuration.
Boy I feel so stupid posting this
... technically I'm not overclocking.. or I don't think that I am anyways.. in that I absolutely refuse to overclock any of my AMD ryzen CPU's due to a combination of ignorance and paranoia on my part
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.. I absolutely salute and respect those on this forum who have the technical expertise and knowledge to do so but quite frankly I'm too scared
My area of interest is more in getting the ram I purchased to it's 3200 speed.. I've already read some of the excellent posts in this forum re: ram and overclocking thanks so much you guys
.. although from what I understand (I could be wrong?) "overclocking" the ram in my case just means getting it to the 3200 speed that the label on the ram says it's supposed to go at?
I have three desktop PC's all of which are Asus boards so apparently you change the settings from "auto" to "DOCP" in the "AI Overclock Tweaker" like in this video
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS9qzqwHbBY
so I did this with my daughter's desktop PC rig having no clue that a good power supply is necessary (like I said I'm ignorant
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) and I got lucky .. here's my daughter's PC rig setup
- G.Skill RipJaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-25600 DDR4 3200 CL16-18-18-38 1.35V Dual Channel DesktopMemory Model F4-3200C16D-16GVKB
(that was two sticks of 8 GB ram at first, encountered my problem when I added two more of the exact same sticks of ram bringing it to 32 GB total)
- ASUS TUF GAMING B450M-PLUS II AM4 AMD B450 SATA6Gb/s Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
- AMD Ryzen 3 3300X Processor W/Wraith Stealth Cooler - 100-100000159BOX (stock "wraith" cooler)
- EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti SC GAMING, 4GB GDDR5, DX12
OSD Support (PXOC) Graphics Card 04G-P4-6253-KR
- three SSD drives (2.5 form factor), one Western Digital Black "Performance" drive
- CD/DVD tray (I know I know outmoded
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, the PC case is ancient but my kids love it and don't want me to upgrade it - ancient ultra defender 2 case)
- six 120 mm case fans
- Thermaltake TR2 TR-600 600W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply
And yep I know (now) that the 600 watt power supply is what's killing me, it's not even a tier C power supply from what I understand ..
Despite that amazingly enough (and being too stupid to realize " Hey maybe I shouldn't try to increase the default ram speed with a terrible power supply) when I set the two sticks of ram to 3200 speed the PC had no problem with this.
Then I added two more of the exact same sticks of ram , four sticks of 8 GB for 32 GB ram total (my daughter has a lot of programs open at once so I thought it might help her PC go even faster I'm greedy that way
) and ... all sorts of heart attacks on my end with the PC turning on but no video showing on the monitor, bios randomly not seeing various sticks of ram in there.. finally it occurred to me to turn off DOCP and set it back to "auto" and problem solved in that the bios can now see the ram.
So I get that an upgrade to a better power supply would help at this point.. but here's where I'm conflicted. I'd really rather not spend $200 on a power supply (my wife would kill me
) and just stick with the budget power supplies (albeit not as budget as the one above
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) even if it means I can't bring the ram beyond the "default" 2133 (I think it's 2133 ?) speed...
Would it be correct to say that this is about how much I'd have to spend to get a power supply that will let ram run at 3200 speed? I say $200 only because I'm guessing (I could be wrong) that you need a tier A power supply and going off a thread like this one
https://techwafer.com/psu-tier-list/
https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-V85...B07NQTTGZW
https://www.amazon.com/quiet-Titanium-Ef...B08XWSYMRV
that's a few examples of how much tier A power supplies cost.. and if that's the case in order to be able to preserve myself from my wife's wrath
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I'd rather just stick with my tier B (I think it's a tier B?) coolermaster 750 watt masterwatt bronze certified power supply I got on sale last Black Friday/December winter sale for about $36 after rebate (yep I know I'm being cheap
)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074ZL...UTF8&psc=1
I think I know the answer to this one though.. it's safe to assume that increasing the ram speed to 3200 for four sticks of ram would be a bad idea with that coolermaster master watt power supply ? And am I also correct in that I'm looking at a $200 power supply to safely overclock the four sticks of ram to 3200 speed?
I thought about starting a new thread for these other two questions but I was afraid of annoying people on here by posting three threads all at once
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, forgive me if I'm doing the wrong thing here...
In my son's desktop PC I got lucky and his two sticks of ram are running at 3200 speed and from what I've seen on the forums a lot of it is just that, luck, it either works or it doesn't.. but is there a risk of making his desktop PC unstable? Should I go back into BIOS and set it back from DOCP to overclock and just let the ram run at 2133 speed instead? His desktop build is
-Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2X16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4-25600) C16 1.35VDesktop Memory - Black, 2 count (pack of 1) (so two ram sticks each 16 GB)
-AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6-core, 12-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler (stock cooler)
-ASUS TUF Gaming B550M-PLUS AMD AM4 (3rd Gen Ryzenā¢) Micro ATX GamingMotherboard
- MSI Gaming Radeon RX 570 256-bit 8GB GDRR5 DirectX 12 VRReady CFX Graphcis Card (RX 570 ARMOR MK2 8G OC)
- three SSD drives (2.5 form factor), one Western Digital Black "Performance" drive, one m2 form factor drive Crucial P3 1TB PCIe 3.0 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD, up to 3500MB/s -CT1000P3SSD8
- CD/DVD tray (another ancient ultra defender 2 case)
- six 120 mm case fans
- CORSAIR CX Series CX750 (New) CP-9020123-NA 750W ATX12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Non- Modular Active PFC Power Supply
and.. last question I promise
.. for my own desktop build I had a few heart attacks putting together my PC build (well more like swapping out the motherboard/CPU/RAM instead which is what I did with all three of these desktop PC's) when I kept getting an error message causing the system to boot into BIOS before it finally occurred to me to just unseat and reseat the two ram sticks after which the system was happy and booted up into Windows... after that heart attack I just left the ram at it's default 2133 speed and I'm wondering if it would be wise to just leave well enough alone and let it stay at that speed instead of the 3200 speed the ram is capable of?.. my desktop PC build is
-AMD Ryzenā¢ 7 5700X 8-Core, 16-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor
-Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE CPU Air Cooler, Dual Tower 6 Heat Pipe,Dual 120mm TL-C12C PWM CPU Fan, for AMD AM4/AM5/Intel LGA1700/1150/1151/1200, AGHP Technology, Aluminium Heatsink Cover
-Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2X16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4-25600) C16 1.35VDesktop Memory - Black, 2 count (pack of 1) (so two sticks of 16 GB ram)
-Asus TUF Gaming B550-PLUS AMD Chipset Socket AM4 ATX Motherboard
-ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Dual-Fan OC Edition VR Ready Dual HDMI DP 1.4 Gaming Graphics Card (DUAL-GTX1060-O6G)
- four 2.5 form factor SSD drives, one Western Digital 2TB WD Red Plus Internal Hard Drive 5400 RPM WD20EFZX (amazon shipped it to me by mistake then let me keep it for free
.. amazingly enough it's been working fine for me as a desktop drive to store files) and one Seagate SkyHawk 4TB Surveillance Hard Drive (ST4000VX007) (snagged it from my direct TV DVR dock when we ditched Direct TV and also works surprisingly well for me as a desktop drive to store files)
- three 140 mm fans, one 120 mm fan
- CD/ROM tray
- Thermaltake Toughpower Grand RGB 850w Fully Modular Power Supply 80 Plus Gold Certified + Riing 14 RGB Fan
Sorry I know that's a lot to throw into a single post .. to anyone who takes the time to read and this and reply you have my heartfelt thanks and gratitude
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Memory consumes very few watts, which most people overlook during construction. Adjusting DOCP significantly enhances AMD performance.
mixed RAM kits are not always compatible.
the problems you encounter after installing the second kit are typical.
upgrading the power supply usually has no impact.
adding more memory is usually a smarter choice than replacing old partsāretire the current ones and install a suitable new kit.
RAM doesn't function exactly as expected; it's not the same product. RAM gets a branding based on its quality level. It's a grouped category; there isn't a single production line making RAM with specific MHz ratings. For example, a Corsair 3000 MHz RAM package means the tested sticks are too low to be labeled 3200 MHz and too high to be labeled 2666 MHz, but they still meet their 3000 MHz specifications and have been verified to work together. You can purchase two identical sets of RAM, packaged together at the factory and sold by the same retailer, yet they might not perform well when used together. Nowadays, it's more likely they'll work well together because their ratings are close, but only RAM bought together is confirmed to function properly.
(mouth drops open then shrieks) " CUUUUUURRRRRSSSEEEEE YOU RAM STICK MANUFACTUERS!".. sorry for the outburst but.. is it just me or does anyone else thing this is a total rip off to the consumer? Grrrrrr... though again I could be speaking out of ignorance.. and DSzymborski thank you so much for telling me this I was definitely under the impression buying two sticks of ram exact same model from the exact same manufacturer would get me.. well, four identical sticks of ram like I would think most people (okay fine uneducated people like me who don't know as much about PC's as you guys do.. no sarcasm btw I really mean that ) would assume is the case. Man.. I dropped like $88 with tax on the first two 8 GB sticks of G.Skill ripjaws ram for my daughter's PC back in the year 2021.. of course prices fall as the years go by especially so recently it seems for certain computer parts, I was so stoked to grab two more 8 GB sticks of what I THOUGHT were the exact same ram sticks for $50.. forgive me I'm getting bitter here now š, not directed at any of you guys I swear... and now I'm told that I'm screwed and I need to return the second two sticks of ram for $50, sigh and toss aside the first two sticks I paid $88 for and buy two entirely new sticks of say corsair vengeance 16 GB ram at $75 (more like $80 with tax).. man this sucks! But at least now I know thank you guys for that... grrrrrr.... And apologies for my confusion about the power supply, it's just I see threads like the one I quoted above (admittedly for XMP not DOCP ) and then I see this thread [SOLVED] - Is this PSU sufficient for overclocking on these parts? So I am currently saving up money to build my new high end gaming pc that will handle anything I throw at it at 1440p. I never cut corners on the power supply and I would just like some reassurance that the power supply I have selected for my new rig is enough to power it and then some for some... forums. where the discussion in that thread (minus the argument that broke out ) seems to imply that a higher quality PSU and/or one with more watts might help with overclocking (although I could be taking that totally out of context, the OP in that thread seemed to be asking about overclocking both his CPU and his RAM and overclocking the ram to 3600 not the 3200 I'm after). So (looks wistful)... you guys are sure that I couldn't just drop the 750 watt coolermaster masterwatt power supply into my daughter's PC and hope the 150 watt jump in power would cause the four G.Skill ripjaws ram sticks to play nice and go to 3200 speeds? Do you think it's at least worth a try so I don't have to eat the $88 loss on those first two sticks of ram from 2021? Again not trying to argue you guys are the experts not me it's just.. this whole situation really bites š... Or.. and I guess you guys can see I really don't want to get burned on the $88 I spent on the 2021 sticks of ram being scrooge mcduck level of cheapness here š... if my reaction was just "screw it" and I left the situation as is.. four sticks of 8 GB ram for 32 GB ram total but at 2133 speed as opposed to the two sticks of 8 GB ram at 3200 speed for my daughter's desktop build with the amd ryzen 3, 3300x processor.. how much would you say I'm leaving on the table percentage wise for not clocking the ram speed up to 3200? (as far as AMD performance I mean). Again bear in mind this isn't an AMD CPU with integrated graphics I'm relying on a video/graphics card for that.
It's not a scam, it's just the constraints of semiconductor manufacturing. Transistors have shrunk to the size of just a dozen or two silicon atoms. CPUs operate similarly; to simplify, all those Zen 3 processors originally began as a 5950X. The models with 5900X, 5800X, 5700X or 5600X are essentially versions that didn't meet the requirements of a 5950X (sometimes components are intentionally discarded to target different market segments). It's not comparable to producing a Toyota at a car plant. The precision required isn't atomicāyou can craft doors that fit any Toyota Camry and make them function identically, but achieving the same with RAM or CPUs is not feasible.
If there is a legit need for 32 rather than 16, you are likely better off with 32 regardless of its speed. At least at the benchmark level.
Noticeably better off? Maybe not.
I have no idea if you have a "legit need" or if you just had upgrade-itis for whatever reason. Maybe you weren't trying to solve a problem.
It's entirely possible neither you nor your daughter would ever be able to detect whether the machine had 16 or 32 or any of the speed differences. It's conceivable you would depending on tasks but not typical.
The required power for a RAM stick is so low I'm not sure how the power supply issue became significant. Maybe I missed something in this thread.
Thank you Lafong
... and hereās another confirmation (sorry, I really shouldnāt have asked again just because Iām still upset about having to throw away those 2021 RAM sticks)
It seems the power supply isnāt the problem, which makes sense even with the cheap 600-watt unit I currently use on my daughterās PC.
The interesting part is that I asked her if the computer felt faster; she said yes. With so many programs running at once, maybe the extra 16 GB of RAM helps even at the slower 2133 speed. Itās odd she agreed compared to when she had only 16 GB but a much faster 3200 speed.
The reality becomes clear: if I want 3200 speed on her desktop at 32 GB RAM, Iād have to sacrifice the 2021 sticks, return the second $50 set of RAM sticks I thought were the same, and just swap them out for two 16 GB, 3200 speed sticks. Man thatās frustrating.
Thanks again guys
If she requires 32 due to numerous open programs, I'd think the benefit of 3200 speed compared to 2666 would be far less significant than the gain from increasing from 16 gb to 32 gb. The advantage of speed would still dominate. I wouldn't be surprised if she couldn't distinguish between 32 gb at 3200 and 32 gb at 2666.
But the placebo effect is truly remarkable.