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The phase change can help prolong battery life.

The phase change can help prolong battery life.

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Fireking124
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09-04-2016, 07:17 PM
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I'm not sure about this, but could phase change packets be applied in laptops to produce power during use and recharge the battery similarly to how a hybrid car works? Are people currently doing this, or is it feasible?
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Fireking124
09-04-2016, 07:17 PM #1

I'm not sure about this, but could phase change packets be applied in laptops to produce power during use and recharge the battery similarly to how a hybrid car works? Are people currently doing this, or is it feasible?

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HellWasHere
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09-05-2016, 03:55 PM
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The phase change material (PCM) plays a role in thermal management for car batteries. It doesn’t produce or hold electrical energy; instead, it absorbs or releases heat to maintain the battery’s operating temperature, particularly during charging and discharging cycles.

HEV relies entirely on the gasoline engine to generate electricity. The engine turns a shaft inside the electric motor, producing some power that is saved in the battery. For HEVs, using only electricity for driving results in limited range—around 20 kilometers—because of the small battery capacity. Without the gasoline engine, an HEV cannot operate (some models use stored electricity to lessen the workload on the engine).
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HellWasHere
09-05-2016, 03:55 PM #2

The phase change material (PCM) plays a role in thermal management for car batteries. It doesn’t produce or hold electrical energy; instead, it absorbs or releases heat to maintain the battery’s operating temperature, particularly during charging and discharging cycles.

HEV relies entirely on the gasoline engine to generate electricity. The engine turns a shaft inside the electric motor, producing some power that is saved in the battery. For HEVs, using only electricity for driving results in limited range—around 20 kilometers—because of the small battery capacity. Without the gasoline engine, an HEV cannot operate (some models use stored electricity to lessen the workload on the engine).

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toejamdaddy
Member
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09-05-2016, 06:34 PM
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No, it cannot be used to generate from heat. The idea of adding a cheap 5 collar PCM packet to a laptop or computer to cool it better is not effective. It does not work simply by transferring heat into the packet. This method would not help in cooling a room that is too warm.
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toejamdaddy
09-05-2016, 06:34 PM #3

No, it cannot be used to generate from heat. The idea of adding a cheap 5 collar PCM packet to a laptop or computer to cool it better is not effective. It does not work simply by transferring heat into the packet. This method would not help in cooling a room that is too warm.

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BeastJrThunder
Junior Member
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09-06-2016, 05:32 AM
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The PCM used in laptop chips functions mainly as a thermal pad. This particular pad serves to facilitate heat movement from the chip to the cold plate. Because it is so thin, it lacks significant heat storage ability, which is why it is designed to carry heat efficiently forward.

In BEV battery systems, PCM acts as a medium that distributes heat across individual cells.

For more details, you can view the specifications here: https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/phase...g-ps-50-40
If you want to see an image, click directly: https://ikrorwxhijqili5q.ldycdn.com/clou...il/PCM.png

On the left, bare battery cells would overheat without adequate cooling. The middle section shows cells encased in PCM, which aids heat dispersion—better than ambient air but still not optimal for central cells. On the right, CPLS is a Coupled PCM-Liquid cooling system, offering active cooling to maintain cell temperatures within safe limits.

Your question revolves around converting the heat stored inside PCM into electricity. There are thermoelectric generators (TEGs) that achieve this conversion using heat and electrical materials. However, currently, they are mainly used in large-scale power plants or some electric vehicles.

At present, TEGs have limited efficiency (5%-8%), are bulky, and costly, making them impractical for consumer electronics. While it is possible to transfer heat into PCM, extracting that heat to generate electricity remains challenging due to size, cost, and efficiency constraints.

The ideal solution would be a compact, affordable TEG that can fit inside a laptop, operates efficiently enough within a reasonable time, and offers a worthwhile return on investment. Such a device is unlikely to exist yet—perhaps in about fifty years when technology advances sufficiently. Until then, the practical use of TEGs for consumer electronics remains elusive.
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BeastJrThunder
09-06-2016, 05:32 AM #4

The PCM used in laptop chips functions mainly as a thermal pad. This particular pad serves to facilitate heat movement from the chip to the cold plate. Because it is so thin, it lacks significant heat storage ability, which is why it is designed to carry heat efficiently forward.

In BEV battery systems, PCM acts as a medium that distributes heat across individual cells.

For more details, you can view the specifications here: https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/phase...g-ps-50-40
If you want to see an image, click directly: https://ikrorwxhijqili5q.ldycdn.com/clou...il/PCM.png

On the left, bare battery cells would overheat without adequate cooling. The middle section shows cells encased in PCM, which aids heat dispersion—better than ambient air but still not optimal for central cells. On the right, CPLS is a Coupled PCM-Liquid cooling system, offering active cooling to maintain cell temperatures within safe limits.

Your question revolves around converting the heat stored inside PCM into electricity. There are thermoelectric generators (TEGs) that achieve this conversion using heat and electrical materials. However, currently, they are mainly used in large-scale power plants or some electric vehicles.

At present, TEGs have limited efficiency (5%-8%), are bulky, and costly, making them impractical for consumer electronics. While it is possible to transfer heat into PCM, extracting that heat to generate electricity remains challenging due to size, cost, and efficiency constraints.

The ideal solution would be a compact, affordable TEG that can fit inside a laptop, operates efficiently enough within a reasonable time, and offers a worthwhile return on investment. Such a device is unlikely to exist yet—perhaps in about fifty years when technology advances sufficiently. Until then, the practical use of TEGs for consumer electronics remains elusive.