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rmation moves through interconnected nodes exchanging signals or data based on established pathways.

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Kimplaze
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08-06-2023, 11:24 PM
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Consider a router with four Ethernet ports, excluding the WAN port. You also have four 5-port switches linked to the router, as shown in your attached diagram. When moving data from one switch port to another, such as switch 1 port 1 to switch 4 port 4, it will pass through the router if needed. Similarly, transferring data from switch 2 port 1 to switch 2 port 2 also goes via the router. This is expected, since you're planning to build a PFSense setup. You're envisioning 4 10/100/1000 ports as an ingress and 2 10GbS SFPs as an egress, with possibly additional ports for internal traffic.
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Kimplaze
08-06-2023, 11:24 PM #1

Consider a router with four Ethernet ports, excluding the WAN port. You also have four 5-port switches linked to the router, as shown in your attached diagram. When moving data from one switch port to another, such as switch 1 port 1 to switch 4 port 4, it will pass through the router if needed. Similarly, transferring data from switch 2 port 1 to switch 2 port 2 also goes via the router. This is expected, since you're planning to build a PFSense setup. You're envisioning 4 10/100/1000 ports as an ingress and 2 10GbS SFPs as an egress, with possibly additional ports for internal traffic.

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SpiritClaws
Member
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08-07-2023, 01:25 AM
#2
Usually not, it varies by switch and network. There’s no reason to enable 10GbE on a router unless you need it; just ensure the switch supports it and everything is functioning well.
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SpiritClaws
08-07-2023, 01:25 AM #2

Usually not, it varies by switch and network. There’s no reason to enable 10GbE on a router unless you need it; just ensure the switch supports it and everything is functioning well.

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Goljat12
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08-07-2023, 10:07 AM
#3
This depends on the specific application and protocol. If it doesn't need Layer 3 functionality or a default gateway, the request proceeds directly to the switch. The switch examines the destination MAC address; if it exists in its MAC table, it bypasses the router and sends the message directly to the intended client. Certain protocols or applications depend on Layer 3, where the request would normally travel to the router through the default gateway address. The router then forwards the packet back to the switch, which subsequently directs it to the destination device.
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Goljat12
08-07-2023, 10:07 AM #3

This depends on the specific application and protocol. If it doesn't need Layer 3 functionality or a default gateway, the request proceeds directly to the switch. The switch examines the destination MAC address; if it exists in its MAC table, it bypasses the router and sends the message directly to the intended client. Certain protocols or applications depend on Layer 3, where the request would normally travel to the router through the default gateway address. The router then forwards the packet back to the switch, which subsequently directs it to the destination device.

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AngelSTB
Junior Member
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08-07-2023, 11:55 AM
#4
Now that I consider it, this closely matches the setup I’m envisioning. I’m considering replacing my current ISP’s Dlink switches with a full overhaul of my home network. I installed four Cat6 cables in each room, some with several runs, all converging at a single central point—likely a rack. With fiber arriving next year, I anticipate my Plex requirements will grow. I’m planning to add one NAS device soon and possibly integrate a download box into the NAS setup. The multiple ports on my pfSense are useful because they provide reliable backup connections from ISP deals that support redundancy.
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AngelSTB
08-07-2023, 11:55 AM #4

Now that I consider it, this closely matches the setup I’m envisioning. I’m considering replacing my current ISP’s Dlink switches with a full overhaul of my home network. I installed four Cat6 cables in each room, some with several runs, all converging at a single central point—likely a rack. With fiber arriving next year, I anticipate my Plex requirements will grow. I’m planning to add one NAS device soon and possibly integrate a download box into the NAS setup. The multiple ports on my pfSense are useful because they provide reliable backup connections from ISP deals that support redundancy.

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GC_Lewk
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219
08-09-2023, 08:51 PM
#5
Routers usually come with an integrated Switch featuring one or two Ethernet connections directly connected from the SoC (central processing unit). This setup enables VLAN tagging, letting the router designate specific ports for WAN traffic while managing the rest as LAN. The key distinction lies in how bandwidth is allocated: when the SoC has only a single internal port, both WAN and LAN data share that limited Ethernet connection. However, because it's a real Switch, LAN-to-LAN communication remains isolated. With pfSense, all switching functions reside on the CPU, requiring a more robust processor if handling high LAN speeds instead of just broadband routing. It’s generally not advisable to use pfSense as a central Switch; a dedicated physical Switch connected to the LAN port is preferable. The advantage of multiple Ethernet ports in pfSense is flexibility—supporting low-bandwidth devices or load balancing across WAN links. If your CPU is powerful enough, you can still function as a Switch, though it might introduce slightly higher latency and higher power use compared to a low-power device. Building your own PC from components tends to be more efficient than assembling a complex solution, especially since a well-chosen low-power unit can match performance needs while saving energy.
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GC_Lewk
08-09-2023, 08:51 PM #5

Routers usually come with an integrated Switch featuring one or two Ethernet connections directly connected from the SoC (central processing unit). This setup enables VLAN tagging, letting the router designate specific ports for WAN traffic while managing the rest as LAN. The key distinction lies in how bandwidth is allocated: when the SoC has only a single internal port, both WAN and LAN data share that limited Ethernet connection. However, because it's a real Switch, LAN-to-LAN communication remains isolated. With pfSense, all switching functions reside on the CPU, requiring a more robust processor if handling high LAN speeds instead of just broadband routing. It’s generally not advisable to use pfSense as a central Switch; a dedicated physical Switch connected to the LAN port is preferable. The advantage of multiple Ethernet ports in pfSense is flexibility—supporting low-bandwidth devices or load balancing across WAN links. If your CPU is powerful enough, you can still function as a Switch, though it might introduce slightly higher latency and higher power use compared to a low-power device. Building your own PC from components tends to be more efficient than assembling a complex solution, especially since a well-chosen low-power unit can match performance needs while saving energy.

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donutdonor
Junior Member
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08-09-2023, 09:34 PM
#6
Other than PFSense, everything will follow a unified approach
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donutdonor
08-09-2023, 09:34 PM #6

Other than PFSense, everything will follow a unified approach

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Unmute_
Junior Member
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08-10-2023, 12:48 AM
#7
Are you sure about purchasing four switches? Consider connecting one cable from PFsense to a core/distribution switch, then route other switches off from that point if necessary. The setup becomes more complex with multiple VLANs, requiring PFsense to handle both inter-VLAN routing and firewall/IPsec policies between them. Network traffic within the same broadcast domain or subnet stays on the switch. Traffic between different networks depends on identifying the appropriate device with a Layer 3 gateway address that can forward it (such as L3 switching or a router interface).
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Unmute_
08-10-2023, 12:48 AM #7

Are you sure about purchasing four switches? Consider connecting one cable from PFsense to a core/distribution switch, then route other switches off from that point if necessary. The setup becomes more complex with multiple VLANs, requiring PFsense to handle both inter-VLAN routing and firewall/IPsec policies between them. Network traffic within the same broadcast domain or subnet stays on the switch. Traffic between different networks depends on identifying the appropriate device with a Layer 3 gateway address that can forward it (such as L3 switching or a router interface).

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DangoBravo
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08-10-2023, 03:43 AM
#8
When managing all those ports on your PFsense device, it’s wise to match each switch to your specific network needs. Fewer switches typically leads to lower power use, improved speed, and simpler setup. If you wish to organize devices without dealing with VLANs, consider dedicating a separate switch to each group of equipment. However, if you have many devices on one subnet—like six on a single 10GB interface—it’s usually more efficient to use an 8-port switch rather than two 4-port ones. Connecting large bandwidth to a small network can be challenging unless you opt for a dual-port switch. Linking 10GB and 1GB interfaces often introduces some latency, especially with your NIC and PFsense version. Bridging these interfaces in PFsense can work, but may add delay depending on hardware and firmware. I’ve faced some issues with this setup, possibly due to my setup or the equipment itself. Ultimately, I moved my high-bandwidth traffic to a different subnet and set up a rule to route everything through one interface, which felt more stable and reliable.
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DangoBravo
08-10-2023, 03:43 AM #8

When managing all those ports on your PFsense device, it’s wise to match each switch to your specific network needs. Fewer switches typically leads to lower power use, improved speed, and simpler setup. If you wish to organize devices without dealing with VLANs, consider dedicating a separate switch to each group of equipment. However, if you have many devices on one subnet—like six on a single 10GB interface—it’s usually more efficient to use an 8-port switch rather than two 4-port ones. Connecting large bandwidth to a small network can be challenging unless you opt for a dual-port switch. Linking 10GB and 1GB interfaces often introduces some latency, especially with your NIC and PFsense version. Bridging these interfaces in PFsense can work, but may add delay depending on hardware and firmware. I’ve faced some issues with this setup, possibly due to my setup or the equipment itself. Ultimately, I moved my high-bandwidth traffic to a different subnet and set up a rule to route everything through one interface, which felt more stable and reliable.

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tsnyder01
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08-10-2023, 07:50 AM
#9
in the diagram it was an example I am also looking at and possibly playing with this as it wouldn't take much to saturate a 10gb network. Its all in the planing stage and until fiber comes in there is no point on setting this up. I also am hardly home these days.
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tsnyder01
08-10-2023, 07:50 AM #9

in the diagram it was an example I am also looking at and possibly playing with this as it wouldn't take much to saturate a 10gb network. Its all in the planing stage and until fiber comes in there is no point on setting this up. I also am hardly home these days.

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CrimsonNacho
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08-11-2023, 01:39 PM
#10
Adjust port 1 on switch 1 to connect to switch 4 port 4. All traffic should pass through the router's switch before reaching switch 4. Layer 2 of the OSI model applies. Switch 2 port 1 connects to switch 2 port 2, but traffic stays within switch 2 unless hosts are in separate VLANs. Switch 1 port 1 routes to the internet or a different VLAN via the router. The router’s main role is linking two networks together.
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CrimsonNacho
08-11-2023, 01:39 PM #10

Adjust port 1 on switch 1 to connect to switch 4 port 4. All traffic should pass through the router's switch before reaching switch 4. Layer 2 of the OSI model applies. Switch 2 port 1 connects to switch 2 port 2, but traffic stays within switch 2 unless hosts are in separate VLANs. Switch 1 port 1 routes to the internet or a different VLAN via the router. The router’s main role is linking two networks together.

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