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Reflections on the Linux challenge

Reflections on the Linux challenge

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MHxHimhim
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06-15-2022, 06:30 PM
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MHxHimhim
06-15-2022, 06:30 PM #11

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wahleno
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06-15-2022, 06:30 PM
#12
Microsoft won't shift Windows to a Linux kernel. The Windows kernel, despite its flaws, remains their core asset, guaranteeing support for decades of software—many people still rely on it, particularly in business environments. Losing this compatibility would likely make Windows irrelevant to users. WSL serves merely as a way to run Linux applications natively on Windows without using a virtual machine, essentially acting as a small utility. This approach might discourage some from adopting genuine Linux solutions.
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wahleno
06-15-2022, 06:30 PM #12

Microsoft won't shift Windows to a Linux kernel. The Windows kernel, despite its flaws, remains their core asset, guaranteeing support for decades of software—many people still rely on it, particularly in business environments. Losing this compatibility would likely make Windows irrelevant to users. WSL serves merely as a way to run Linux applications natively on Windows without using a virtual machine, essentially acting as a small utility. This approach might discourage some from adopting genuine Linux solutions.

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Neidro
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06-15-2022, 06:30 PM
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two decades is an exaggeration. I question whether XP software could run smoothly on today’s hardware and operating systems; Windows 95 is no longer worth mentioning. The Vista era was equally chaotic. Numerous XP programs and drivers failed constantly, forcing Microsoft to release numerous "service packs" that acted as compatibility layers. That’s more than enough. Microsoft was compelled to act because various governments and major corporations demanded a POSIX-compliant OS, and to sustain their operations they had to integrate POSIX features. The Microsoft POSIX Subsystem marked the beginning, followed by Linux as its successor. It certainly works, though not as effectively as Windows—mainly due to limited game support and weak developer backing. Many titles stop functioning after a couple of years, and there are still few available. No one will advise you to rely on the terminal, particularly when building commercial or graphical applications for Linux desktops. If I were to design a visually appealing file manager, I’d roll my eyes if you dismissed it for simple commands like cd, ls, mkdir, etc. Most command-line enthusiasts are stubborn Linux users who stick to familiar patterns.
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Neidro
06-15-2022, 06:30 PM #13

two decades is an exaggeration. I question whether XP software could run smoothly on today’s hardware and operating systems; Windows 95 is no longer worth mentioning. The Vista era was equally chaotic. Numerous XP programs and drivers failed constantly, forcing Microsoft to release numerous "service packs" that acted as compatibility layers. That’s more than enough. Microsoft was compelled to act because various governments and major corporations demanded a POSIX-compliant OS, and to sustain their operations they had to integrate POSIX features. The Microsoft POSIX Subsystem marked the beginning, followed by Linux as its successor. It certainly works, though not as effectively as Windows—mainly due to limited game support and weak developer backing. Many titles stop functioning after a couple of years, and there are still few available. No one will advise you to rely on the terminal, particularly when building commercial or graphical applications for Linux desktops. If I were to design a visually appealing file manager, I’d roll my eyes if you dismissed it for simple commands like cd, ls, mkdir, etc. Most command-line enthusiasts are stubborn Linux users who stick to familiar patterns.

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MikeGamer15YT
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06-15-2022, 06:30 PM
#14
Remains significantly superior to Linux and MacOS, where compatibility issues typically arise every few years. Encountered numerous challenges when transitioning to Ubuntu 20.04, as many applications dependent on outdated libraries ceased functioning.
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MikeGamer15YT
06-15-2022, 06:30 PM #14

Remains significantly superior to Linux and MacOS, where compatibility issues typically arise every few years. Encountered numerous challenges when transitioning to Ubuntu 20.04, as many applications dependent on outdated libraries ceased functioning.

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VetGirl1
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06-15-2022, 06:30 PM
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It seems likely related to the removal of outdated 32-bit libraries. This issue varies by distribution. Some users may still have all the necessary packages available. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.omgubun...g-forward/ They can still be installed manually, as the official repositories were still accessible previously. Annoying, but not as frustrating as what you're experiencing.
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VetGirl1
06-15-2022, 06:30 PM #15

It seems likely related to the removal of outdated 32-bit libraries. This issue varies by distribution. Some users may still have all the necessary packages available. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.omgubun...g-forward/ They can still be installed manually, as the official repositories were still accessible previously. Annoying, but not as frustrating as what you're experiencing.

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SleeperBeeper
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06-15-2022, 06:30 PM
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Another key change is phasing out Python 2, even though it’s already out of support and many programs still depend on it. You can continue using version 18.04 until its end of life, but it will become outdated in about two years.
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SleeperBeeper
06-15-2022, 06:30 PM #16

Another key change is phasing out Python 2, even though it’s already out of support and many programs still depend on it. You can continue using version 18.04 until its end of life, but it will become outdated in about two years.

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Linda
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06-15-2022, 06:30 PM
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Another significant problem arises frequently, despite being something that should be easily resolved. I often encountered mismatched and obsolete packages in my field. The Xyz node module for Node.js 12 fails on Node.js 16, and certain Zyx composer tools demand PHP 7.4 while others won't run with PHP 5.x. Java faces similar challenges, though milder. Python presents its own set of difficulties, with some developers bundling the interpreter into their software to sidestep these complications. These challenges don't depend on the platform. If your script encounters trouble with Python 3 on Linux, it's likely to do the same on Windows.
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Linda
06-15-2022, 06:30 PM #17

Another significant problem arises frequently, despite being something that should be easily resolved. I often encountered mismatched and obsolete packages in my field. The Xyz node module for Node.js 12 fails on Node.js 16, and certain Zyx composer tools demand PHP 7.4 while others won't run with PHP 5.x. Java faces similar challenges, though milder. Python presents its own set of difficulties, with some developers bundling the interpreter into their software to sidestep these complications. These challenges don't depend on the platform. If your script encounters trouble with Python 3 on Linux, it's likely to do the same on Windows.

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s3bi154
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06-15-2022, 06:30 PM
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This is a very valid point, but how far back should a company enable backwards compatibility? Also, if you were Microsoft and wanted to use A DirectX implementation on Linux for a Microsoft store, would WSL be a great test bed for that? They haven't said so, but Linux is currently the only side they are lacking in the M365 ecosystem. I honestly haven't checked chrome OS, they even got it on the IOS/MACOS side for apple. There also comes a point where if you don't have to, why keep pushing DIrect X when Vulkan keeps developing and getting better without you paying developers.
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s3bi154
06-15-2022, 06:30 PM #18

This is a very valid point, but how far back should a company enable backwards compatibility? Also, if you were Microsoft and wanted to use A DirectX implementation on Linux for a Microsoft store, would WSL be a great test bed for that? They haven't said so, but Linux is currently the only side they are lacking in the M365 ecosystem. I honestly haven't checked chrome OS, they even got it on the IOS/MACOS side for apple. There also comes a point where if you don't have to, why keep pushing DIrect X when Vulkan keeps developing and getting better without you paying developers.

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