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Question about removing firmware

Question about removing firmware

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TheTivekas
Member
194
07-28-2023, 05:15 PM
#1
Hi, everyone!
As a beginner in computer architecture and systems, I had some questions about firmware. I'm reaching out to get advice from others in the forum. Thanks!
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TheTivekas
07-28-2023, 05:15 PM #1

Hi, everyone!
As a beginner in computer architecture and systems, I had some questions about firmware. I'm reaching out to get advice from others in the forum. Thanks!

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EthanGamerTV
Junior Member
6
08-05-2023, 12:10 AM
#2
Hey there,
For the most part -
1. Most firmware cannot be removed. It is called embedded software. Perhaps in certain types of hardware this is possible. Of course firmware can be replaced updated, but this is controlled by the manufacturer.
2. If you could remove the firmware, the hardware would no longer function. It kinda makes it a moot point whether the capacity is the same as formatted drive (which it's not). You will lose some capacity formatting the drive for normal operations.
3. Again, it depends on which hardware you were able to run without a firmware. On ordinary PC components, there's always a layer of software interaction with the hardware, whether that's the bios/uefi, specific firmwares, drivers etc
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EthanGamerTV
08-05-2023, 12:10 AM #2

Hey there,
For the most part -
1. Most firmware cannot be removed. It is called embedded software. Perhaps in certain types of hardware this is possible. Of course firmware can be replaced updated, but this is controlled by the manufacturer.
2. If you could remove the firmware, the hardware would no longer function. It kinda makes it a moot point whether the capacity is the same as formatted drive (which it's not). You will lose some capacity formatting the drive for normal operations.
3. Again, it depends on which hardware you were able to run without a firmware. On ordinary PC components, there's always a layer of software interaction with the hardware, whether that's the bios/uefi, specific firmwares, drivers etc

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Jatinsukhija
Member
69
08-05-2023, 09:30 AM
#3
Usually, no. Be aware of the
Base 2 versus Base 10 problem.
It would just not function.
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Jatinsukhija
08-05-2023, 09:30 AM #3

Usually, no. Be aware of the
Base 2 versus Base 10 problem.
It would just not function.

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Zologa19
Member
65
08-06-2023, 03:45 AM
#4
The question raises an unusual aspect of the 'chicken-or-egg' situation. It asks how firmware is initially included when hardware is pre-installed and also why updates or replacements are possible.
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Zologa19
08-06-2023, 03:45 AM #4

The question raises an unusual aspect of the 'chicken-or-egg' situation. It asks how firmware is initially included when hardware is pre-installed and also why updates or replacements are possible.

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_ZeVuN_
Member
234
08-11-2023, 10:14 AM
#5
It is embedded in certain chips while making the device.
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_ZeVuN_
08-11-2023, 10:14 AM #5

It is embedded in certain chips while making the device.

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HugoSkywalker
Junior Member
5
08-11-2023, 04:03 PM
#6
These devices usually contain a permanent storage chip—like flash, EEPROM, or ROM—or it is integrated into the microcontroller. If it isn’t a ROM type chip, programming is possible with a specific tool and by connecting the correct pins.

The ability to be programmed relies on hardware features such as logic gates, which raises security concerns because most external chips are basic and lack permission controls. For microcontrollers that embed storage, they often have simple security measures to stop accidental reprogramming.
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HugoSkywalker
08-11-2023, 04:03 PM #6

These devices usually contain a permanent storage chip—like flash, EEPROM, or ROM—or it is integrated into the microcontroller. If it isn’t a ROM type chip, programming is possible with a specific tool and by connecting the correct pins.

The ability to be programmed relies on hardware features such as logic gates, which raises security concerns because most external chips are basic and lack permission controls. For microcontrollers that embed storage, they often have simple security measures to stop accidental reprogramming.