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Problem with New AM5 system UEFI BIOS/boot issues.

Problem with New AM5 system UEFI BIOS/boot issues.

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JustLowie
Junior Member
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05-12-2023, 12:01 AM
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something in my previous setup stopped working and wouldn’t boot anymore. I checked the PSU and GPU at a local shop, and everything seemed fine. I replaced the motherboard with a new one, installed an MSI B650 Tomahawk motherboard, a Ryzen 7800X3D CPU, Crucial DDR5 RAM, and a 750-watt EVGA PSU. I also used my old RX580 and a Samsung 860 Evo M2 drive.

At first, assembling the new system gave me no boot—only the CPU and memory debug lights were active. After disassembling, I realized the motherboard required two additional slots to be filled before proceeding. I swapped those and reattached the CPU and heatsink, which seemed to work better. On the next boot attempt, both debug lights went off and the boot LED lit, but still no successful startup.

I thought maybe my 860 Evo was too outdated for Slot 1 NVMe and moved it to the second slot. I did the same with the older RX580, placing it in the second GPU slot. Now it boots into BIOS at least, recognizing my Samsung in the second NVMe slot.

However, I noticed these newer UEFI BIOS versions are becoming increasingly complex. I’m unsure if a home-built system can boot Linux without adjusting trusted computing or secure boot settings. Anyone have any advice on the latest AM5 UEFI BIOS configurations?
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JustLowie
05-12-2023, 12:01 AM #1

something in my previous setup stopped working and wouldn’t boot anymore. I checked the PSU and GPU at a local shop, and everything seemed fine. I replaced the motherboard with a new one, installed an MSI B650 Tomahawk motherboard, a Ryzen 7800X3D CPU, Crucial DDR5 RAM, and a 750-watt EVGA PSU. I also used my old RX580 and a Samsung 860 Evo M2 drive.

At first, assembling the new system gave me no boot—only the CPU and memory debug lights were active. After disassembling, I realized the motherboard required two additional slots to be filled before proceeding. I swapped those and reattached the CPU and heatsink, which seemed to work better. On the next boot attempt, both debug lights went off and the boot LED lit, but still no successful startup.

I thought maybe my 860 Evo was too outdated for Slot 1 NVMe and moved it to the second slot. I did the same with the older RX580, placing it in the second GPU slot. Now it boots into BIOS at least, recognizing my Samsung in the second NVMe slot.

However, I noticed these newer UEFI BIOS versions are becoming increasingly complex. I’m unsure if a home-built system can boot Linux without adjusting trusted computing or secure boot settings. Anyone have any advice on the latest AM5 UEFI BIOS configurations?

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CAMOOO
Member
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05-13-2023, 11:48 AM
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But i noticed this generation of UEFI Bios is becoming increasingly complex, and I’m not sure a home-built system will boot linux without adjusting trusted computing or secure boot settings. Can you clarify what you mean by complicated? If you press F7 on the keyboard, you should see the advanced UEFI BIOS version that supports the features of your motherboard. Regarding your operating system, you should reinstall it because you’ve changed the platforms.
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CAMOOO
05-13-2023, 11:48 AM #2

But i noticed this generation of UEFI Bios is becoming increasingly complex, and I’m not sure a home-built system will boot linux without adjusting trusted computing or secure boot settings. Can you clarify what you mean by complicated? If you press F7 on the keyboard, you should see the advanced UEFI BIOS version that supports the features of your motherboard. Regarding your operating system, you should reinstall it because you’ve changed the platforms.

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Sexairty
Member
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05-13-2023, 05:05 PM
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My B450 hasn't been running since November, and I suspect I installed that system 18 months prior, possibly only adjusting the BIOS once to switch from elementary OS to Debian 12. I'm relying on memory for this.

However, the trusted platform and secure boot settings seem to contain more information and configurations.

I really hope I can install Debian 12 because it was a much harder installation compared to elementary OS, and I probably won't attempt it again due to lack of time or determination. I just want to escape this poor laptop and switch to a proper desktop system.

I tried the NVMe test setting, but it appeared grayed out and didn't work with my 860 EVO M2 drive.

I'm just curious if this newer BIOS is intended to boot out of the box, or if settings need to be adjusted first?
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Sexairty
05-13-2023, 05:05 PM #3

My B450 hasn't been running since November, and I suspect I installed that system 18 months prior, possibly only adjusting the BIOS once to switch from elementary OS to Debian 12. I'm relying on memory for this.

However, the trusted platform and secure boot settings seem to contain more information and configurations.

I really hope I can install Debian 12 because it was a much harder installation compared to elementary OS, and I probably won't attempt it again due to lack of time or determination. I just want to escape this poor laptop and switch to a proper desktop system.

I tried the NVMe test setting, but it appeared grayed out and didn't work with my 860 EVO M2 drive.

I'm just curious if this newer BIOS is intended to boot out of the box, or if settings need to be adjusted first?

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SkyAceDivine
Member
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05-13-2023, 10:54 PM
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Even on Linux there are still issues when moving to a different hardware setup, I worry you might need to reinstall it. Regarding BIOS/UEFI, upon first startup or updating the BIOS, it usually starts in safe mode by default, so adjustments are necessary to guarantee compatibility and performance. Since Windows 11, many manufacturers have made TPM available by default because it’s essential. I don’t know your Linux environment, but BIOS also supports an older mode called CSM, so you might want to try enabling it first. Your Linux could boot using that option. Also, are you planning to use Windows on this system, especially with the 3D processor you purchased? It might not be beneficial and could add unnecessary complications.
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SkyAceDivine
05-13-2023, 10:54 PM #4

Even on Linux there are still issues when moving to a different hardware setup, I worry you might need to reinstall it. Regarding BIOS/UEFI, upon first startup or updating the BIOS, it usually starts in safe mode by default, so adjustments are necessary to guarantee compatibility and performance. Since Windows 11, many manufacturers have made TPM available by default because it’s essential. I don’t know your Linux environment, but BIOS also supports an older mode called CSM, so you might want to try enabling it first. Your Linux could boot using that option. Also, are you planning to use Windows on this system, especially with the 3D processor you purchased? It might not be beneficial and could add unnecessary complications.

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_sharktapus_
Member
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05-25-2023, 05:44 PM
#5
Only the changes I made so far for trying n boot were;
Disabling Secure boot
Still didn't boot.
Both times I tried booting, it took a very long time to see any progress, so I was close to resetting it, around 45 seconds then it just returned to BIOS.
I won<|pad|>'s not doing dualboot with Windows.
If/when I install Windows later, it will be on a separate SSD or possibly a new NVMe drive.
This Debian 12 install was just using the same settings I was already running Elementry OS on the MSI B450 motherboard.
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_sharktapus_
05-25-2023, 05:44 PM #5

Only the changes I made so far for trying n boot were;
Disabling Secure boot
Still didn't boot.
Both times I tried booting, it took a very long time to see any progress, so I was close to resetting it, around 45 seconds then it just returned to BIOS.
I won<|pad|>'s not doing dualboot with Windows.
If/when I install Windows later, it will be on a separate SSD or possibly a new NVMe drive.
This Debian 12 install was just using the same settings I was already running Elementry OS on the MSI B450 motherboard.

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_TortaPvP_
Junior Member
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06-01-2023, 04:59 PM
#6
you were correct, even the older Linux versions can't boot in a brand new setup anymore
the reinstalled Elementry OS appears to be functioning properly, at least after a full update and restart
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_TortaPvP_
06-01-2023, 04:59 PM #6

you were correct, even the older Linux versions can't boot in a brand new setup anymore
the reinstalled Elementry OS appears to be functioning properly, at least after a full update and restart

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06-02-2023, 10:59 PM
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I'm not sure if it's the 4x RAM or 8-core vs 6-core Ryzen 2600, but this new setup is really fast compared to the old desktop. Even when compared to a new Hp laptop from January 2024 with a Ryzen CPU, Radeon GPU, 16 GB RAM, it's much faster.
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darkmatter5927
06-02-2023, 10:59 PM #7

I'm not sure if it's the 4x RAM or 8-core vs 6-core Ryzen 2600, but this new setup is really fast compared to the old desktop. Even when compared to a new Hp laptop from January 2024 with a Ryzen CPU, Radeon GPU, 16 GB RAM, it's much faster.

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06-04-2023, 02:04 AM
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Wow, I was searching for my thread and noticed many others had similar issues. The power went out a few days ago, but my PC worked fine that day. This morning it stalled on the CPU red and RAM yellow, but I managed to reset it and waited three minutes before it booted up again. Now I’m using the new build, but should I be concerned? A brand new system, except for the GPU, cost around 1400 CDN and might fail within a week?
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AwesomeIce1121
06-04-2023, 02:04 AM #8

Wow, I was searching for my thread and noticed many others had similar issues. The power went out a few days ago, but my PC worked fine that day. This morning it stalled on the CPU red and RAM yellow, but I managed to reset it and waited three minutes before it booted up again. Now I’m using the new build, but should I be concerned? A brand new system, except for the GPU, cost around 1400 CDN and might fail within a week?