Phantek's Watercooling Build - My initial project - eager for feedback!
Phantek's Watercooling Build - My initial project - eager for feedback!
You can operate with two pumps in one loop, which is acceptable. However, it's not a dual loop configuration—it's just a single loop. Dual loops involve two distinct water cooling systems where the coolant from one doesn't interact with the other.
The 480 rad estimate for a CPU loop seems excessive. A 6-core CPU shouldn't exceed 250 watts, and a stable 1.3ghz increase is questionable. Your calculations appear reasonable with the numbers you provided, though they still seem a bit high.
I plan to remove the Bay Res and install a D5 pump instead. Incorrect! Always mount a D5 below the reservoir, never above it. A D5 is a circulating pump, not a priming pump, and the coolant must go directly to the pump intake to avoid damaging the bearings.
I would run one loop using a single res with dual D5 pumps. The rads you selected will be a bit excessive but that's fine.
cdabc123 :
i would look into dual pump its nice to have cpu and gpus on dif loops because gpus get hotter and can get to a higher temp than a cpu. what you have could work but it has a chance of heating up the cpu more then it should
I will look into it for sure, I expect that my Rad space (480, 280, and 240) would be more than enough for the CPU to maintain a nice temp even with the 2 GTX 980 Ti's on the same loop.
rubix_1011 :
Please do not bump in the forums.
You can run 2 pumps in a single loop, that is fine. It just isn't a dual loop setup, it's only a single loop. Dual loops are when you have two completely separate watercooling setups and the coolant from one never touches the other.
You don't really need a 480 rad for a CPU loop, but that's up to you. Your TDP estimate looks a little high - I wouldn't expect a 6-core CPU to push over 250watts or be certain to take a 1.3ghz stable increase - are you certain the voltages and speed you have are achievable yet, or are you simply doing some hopeful estimation? Either way, your estimate is correct with the values you've put in...which like I said, still seems a little high.
Sorry for the bump! Won't happen again. I understand the difference between a dual and single loop, just wondering (if you were me) if you would do two separate loops in my situation. Could I do a 240 rad for my CPU loop and maintain a low temp? Mt TDP figures are all estimates from what I have read/seen on other forums and sites. I calculated high to be on the safe side.
4Ryan6 :
iRon_Man22 :
I will take out the Bay Res and just put a D5 pump there instead.
Wrong!
Never mount a D5 above the reservoir always mount below the reservoir, a D5 is a circulating pump not a priming pump, the coolant has to be directly supplied to the pumps intake or you will burn out the pumps bearing surfaces very quick.
Calm down, I never intended to put the pump in the 5.25 drive bays. I was saying I will swap the bay/res combo idea for just a 2nd D5, that is all.
Sprados :
The ethoo primo has enough space for 2 reservoir one in the rear and one in the plate that they giving with it but don't do it even if you put full radiators in bottom and in front and you release the heat from top, the temperature of the 2 cards is to heavy even in idle will create a leak. What is really happening is they grow as the heat rise and they shrink as the heat stops this mechanical movement is damaging the pump, the pipes or the radiators. Build the best air cooling pc you can a damaged fan is easier and cheaper to replace it.
AMD in a caplet of months will release new cpu’s and graphics cards at 14 nm that will push the prices down maybe is worth to wait.
I can barely read this one for all the typos it has, but from what I gathered you say I should do an air cooling build and wait a few months for AMD to release their "new" line of CPUs and GPUs? Were you high when you wrote this?
Zerk2012 :
I would do a single loop with one res using dual D5 pumps. The rads you have picked will work a bit of overkill but no biggie.
Thanks for the suggestion! Yeah, I'm planning on dual D5s but I LOVE the look of those dual tube reservoirs and I am sticking to that design
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. Haha and if you haven't noticed, this whole system is a "bit" overkill so whats a bit more rad space, huh? haha
They also noticed the same discussion on overclock.net and reviewed the comments from @rubix_1011, @Zerk2012, @cdabc123 and @4Ryan6 regarding skipping the push/pull configuration and opting for a simple push setup. They mentioned concerns about performance gains, noise, wiring, and increased costs given the lower FPI of these units.
I will replace the Bay Res with a D5 pump directly.
Incorrect! Always mount the D5 below the reservoir, never above it. A D5 is a circulating pump, not a priming pump—coolant must go straight to the intake to avoid damaging the pump bearings.
I was just suggesting swapping the bay/res combo for a second D5, that’s all.
I’m calm, the bold one was trying to grab your attention, I repeated exactly what you said and replied accordingly. Thanks for the clarification!
I also noticed the same question on overclock.net, and I wanted to check what @rubix_1011, @Zerk2012, @cdabc123 and @4Ryan6 shared regarding their advice against running push/pull config and instead using just a push. They mentioned these units have a lower FPI, and since they're near the point of diminishing returns, P/P fans would likely offer minimal performance gains, increase noise, add more wiring, and raise costs.
If he really wants to be burned quicker, I have a couple of ideas to help save him—get this PC case. You can find it here: http://www.coolermaster.com/case/ultra-tower/cosmos-2/. All the hard drives should go to the bottom, and the two fans on the sides will be blowing heat away from the other side of the box. You’ll need to take out the drive cage from the front so the air can flow freely for the CPU cooler and the GPU. The graphics card you’re considering is from Sapphire, featuring VIPOR-X technology—it cools the GPU much better. You can get one here: https://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-v...00381ntocl. Place it as far away from the CPU as possible, and install two fans next to the case for side cooling. Mount the CPU cooler so it directs heat upward, remove the rear fan, and position it on top. You’ll need three fans coming in and four going out; an NH-D14 or NH-D15 will handle the cooling efficiently. It will draw air from the rear, push hot air back into the top, and you’ll achieve around 4.5 GHz performance.
PS: Mount the 140x140 Noctua fan as close to the motherboard as possible.
PS2: You’ll also need this motherboard:
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product...id=5280#ov
It has regulators on the side, which is exactly what I mentioned—using an NH-D14 or NH-D15 will direct air to the regulators and help cool the components, including the heat pipes.
PS3: Mount the graphics card in the PCI-E 2nd slot.
I value your feedback, but I must admit I can’t imagine choosing AMD over Intel or Nvidia for a fully high-end build. AMD (in my view, based on experience and research) simply won’t match the performance and stability of an Intel processor or a Nvidia GPU. AMD is best suited for budget builds where the builder prioritizes cost over top performance. I respect your interest in AMD, but I won’t ever opt for it over Intel or Nvidia when I have the choice.
And please forgive me if my tone came across as harsh—I’m sorry for any confusion caused by the grammar issues.
In summary, I’m not planning to air-cool my PC and I won’t use AMD. Period.
PS: The Cosmos case is nice, but I prefer the Phantek Enthoo Primo. Thanks!