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Older motherboards with USB and SATA ports

Older motherboards with USB and SATA ports

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25daniel
Member
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07-31-2016, 02:16 AM
#11
You can purchase 4 GB IDE SSDs for $10, for instance: https://www.ebay.com/itm/193738886321. For larger capacities, you can find 8 GB units around $15 or more, see: https://www.ebay.com/itm/224911234267? Or 16 GB for about $17: https://www.ebay.com/itm/293131754251. Installing Windows XP is definitely possible in that space, while Windows 7 might require some custom modifications. There are various tools available to reduce the ISO size. I don't suggest booting from a network; it would be very challenging. Some Linux or BSD systems could work instead. (Note: these drives use 44-pin IDE, so you'll need a 40/80-pin adapter with power.)
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25daniel
07-31-2016, 02:16 AM #11

You can purchase 4 GB IDE SSDs for $10, for instance: https://www.ebay.com/itm/193738886321. For larger capacities, you can find 8 GB units around $15 or more, see: https://www.ebay.com/itm/224911234267? Or 16 GB for about $17: https://www.ebay.com/itm/293131754251. Installing Windows XP is definitely possible in that space, while Windows 7 might require some custom modifications. There are various tools available to reduce the ISO size. I don't suggest booting from a network; it would be very challenging. Some Linux or BSD systems could work instead. (Note: these drives use 44-pin IDE, so you'll need a 40/80-pin adapter with power.)

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07-31-2016, 02:23 AM
#12
The optimal performance comes from using standard IDE drives with Windows XP. A faster HDD or SSD won’t really help much when paired with a system that has a 1000MHz CPU. You’ll still have delays as the processor loads programs. Buying a PCIe SATA card doesn’t make much difference since there isn’t enough bandwidth to use it effectively. Good luck!
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TechSoldierEx2
07-31-2016, 02:23 AM #12

The optimal performance comes from using standard IDE drives with Windows XP. A faster HDD or SSD won’t really help much when paired with a system that has a 1000MHz CPU. You’ll still have delays as the processor loads programs. Buying a PCIe SATA card doesn’t make much difference since there isn’t enough bandwidth to use it effectively. Good luck!

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chief6724
Junior Member
23
07-31-2016, 03:04 AM
#13
I've restored the board successfully, swapped out the memory/pci capacitors, but the CPU/VRM caps didn't degrade so I didn't replace them (removed them, checked measurements and matched the 2200uF values on the caps—just reattached). This is my first time recapping a board; clearing the solder from the through holes made it difficult to fit the new caps, so I used a small hand drill and a needle. I found a 2GHz Barton CPU that the system lists as unknown, which could be useful for testing. I might consider ordering various storage options and running benchmarks to see how they compare. The IDE IBM "deathstar" drives are still available but likely won't last long if used extensively.
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chief6724
07-31-2016, 03:04 AM #13

I've restored the board successfully, swapped out the memory/pci capacitors, but the CPU/VRM caps didn't degrade so I didn't replace them (removed them, checked measurements and matched the 2200uF values on the caps—just reattached). This is my first time recapping a board; clearing the solder from the through holes made it difficult to fit the new caps, so I used a small hand drill and a needle. I found a 2GHz Barton CPU that the system lists as unknown, which could be useful for testing. I might consider ordering various storage options and running benchmarks to see how they compare. The IDE IBM "deathstar" drives are still available but likely won't last long if used extensively.

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master_scope
Posting Freak
794
07-31-2016, 04:03 AM
#14
CPU-Z vintage edition is required. Version 1.05 works for socket A as confirmed by @Beerzerker.
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master_scope
07-31-2016, 04:03 AM #14

CPU-Z vintage edition is required. Version 1.05 works for socket A as confirmed by @Beerzerker.

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BWELBY17
Junior Member
6
07-31-2016, 05:31 AM
#15
The latest version known to run correctly out of the usual releases is V1.59 but the referred to vintage version works fine and is readily available, you can get that from the CPU-Z site. CPU-Z | Softwares | CPUID There is the current vintage version 1.03 and you can get it by using the link I provided. There is also an older versions tab but it only goes back to V1.63, not as far as V1.59 you'd need.
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BWELBY17
07-31-2016, 05:31 AM #15

The latest version known to run correctly out of the usual releases is V1.59 but the referred to vintage version works fine and is readily available, you can get that from the CPU-Z site. CPU-Z | Softwares | CPUID There is the current vintage version 1.03 and you can get it by using the link I provided. There is also an older versions tab but it only goes back to V1.63, not as far as V1.59 you'd need.

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168
08-04-2016, 09:17 AM
#16
It's important to note that simply using a multimeter isn't sufficient for accurate capacitance readings. Standard tools can't capture ESR or other vital characteristics of capacitors. Some capacitors may also lose or even gain capacity over time without any noticeable change in value. In particular, the CPU VRM section is where ESR becomes crucial—constraints from cooling components often lead to multiple capacitors being placed in parallel to reduce resistance, not to increase total capacitance. Polymer or solid types generally exhibit lower ESR compared to electrolytic ones, allowing for potential replacements with smaller values (around 3000–4500 µF) while maintaining performance. For instance, swapping several 2200µF 6.3V electrolytics for 1200–1500µF solid capacitors (even lower voltage versions are acceptable) can be effective. However, working in the VRM area demands caution; using drills poses risks of damaging internal layers. A safer approach involves cutting the capacitor at the base and leaving a small portion of the leads exposed, then applying solder carefully while heating to push leads out from the front side.
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TravelingWater
08-04-2016, 09:17 AM #16

It's important to note that simply using a multimeter isn't sufficient for accurate capacitance readings. Standard tools can't capture ESR or other vital characteristics of capacitors. Some capacitors may also lose or even gain capacity over time without any noticeable change in value. In particular, the CPU VRM section is where ESR becomes crucial—constraints from cooling components often lead to multiple capacitors being placed in parallel to reduce resistance, not to increase total capacitance. Polymer or solid types generally exhibit lower ESR compared to electrolytic ones, allowing for potential replacements with smaller values (around 3000–4500 µF) while maintaining performance. For instance, swapping several 2200µF 6.3V electrolytics for 1200–1500µF solid capacitors (even lower voltage versions are acceptable) can be effective. However, working in the VRM area demands caution; using drills poses risks of damaging internal layers. A safer approach involves cutting the capacitor at the base and leaving a small portion of the leads exposed, then applying solder carefully while heating to push leads out from the front side.

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LooseDawg
Senior Member
628
08-04-2016, 04:18 PM
#17
I've made some advancements here. My findings so far: IDE mechanical drive ~40MB/s continuous, 0.01 r/w occasional. IDE SSD (disk on module) ~40MB/s continuous, ~2MB/s occasional for IDE to SD card; running any of these tests with a USB2 PCI card yields similar speeds, but caps at 25MB/s. SATA SSD (m.2 or standard 2.5") using a PCI card gives optimal performance with ~80MB/s continuous and ~15MB/s random. The other options didn't perform well: IDE → CF → SD card results are below 2MB/s for all uses. NVMe is recognized by the OS, yet the crucial/micro drive I have on hand lacks 32-bit drivers—I might explore alternative manufacturers. Currently, I'm using Windows XP via the IDE→SD card adapter; I can run benchmarks from Windows, and the RAID BIOS lists what's attached during post-boot, but I can't boot from it. Any suggestions on workarounds? I tried launching Plop Boot Manager from an SD card, but it freezes when I select the SATA drive—it works with USB booting, though. Are there other boot managers I should consider?
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LooseDawg
08-04-2016, 04:18 PM #17

I've made some advancements here. My findings so far: IDE mechanical drive ~40MB/s continuous, 0.01 r/w occasional. IDE SSD (disk on module) ~40MB/s continuous, ~2MB/s occasional for IDE to SD card; running any of these tests with a USB2 PCI card yields similar speeds, but caps at 25MB/s. SATA SSD (m.2 or standard 2.5") using a PCI card gives optimal performance with ~80MB/s continuous and ~15MB/s random. The other options didn't perform well: IDE → CF → SD card results are below 2MB/s for all uses. NVMe is recognized by the OS, yet the crucial/micro drive I have on hand lacks 32-bit drivers—I might explore alternative manufacturers. Currently, I'm using Windows XP via the IDE→SD card adapter; I can run benchmarks from Windows, and the RAID BIOS lists what's attached during post-boot, but I can't boot from it. Any suggestions on workarounds? I tried launching Plop Boot Manager from an SD card, but it freezes when I select the SATA drive—it works with USB booting, though. Are there other boot managers I should consider?

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mad_manXD
Junior Member
48
08-04-2016, 08:45 PM
#18
Starting from a PCI SATA card is usually tricky unless you have an active raid controller. Even then, results can be inconsistent on older systems. Performance is significantly higher than anticipated—I expected Thunderbird to hit full capacity before SSD speeds exceeded half of the PCI bus rate.
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mad_manXD
08-04-2016, 08:45 PM #18

Starting from a PCI SATA card is usually tricky unless you have an active raid controller. Even then, results can be inconsistent on older systems. Performance is significantly higher than anticipated—I expected Thunderbird to hit full capacity before SSD speeds exceeded half of the PCI bus rate.

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