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No, I don't think it's necessary to use 100% 4G.

No, I don't think it's necessary to use 100% 4G.

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DriveIn
Senior Member
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11-09-2016, 11:31 AM
#11
That's a big concern for me too. I tried 3 network services in my neighborhood and while some offer an atrocious connection, one of them is decent. Maybe I should just give it a try for a month and see how it goes. I also like the fact that can take the router with you when you're on the go.
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DriveIn
11-09-2016, 11:31 AM #11

That's a big concern for me too. I tried 3 network services in my neighborhood and while some offer an atrocious connection, one of them is decent. Maybe I should just give it a try for a month and see how it goes. I also like the fact that can take the router with you when you're on the go.

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CJWPercy
Junior Member
13
11-09-2016, 01:30 PM
#12
VDSL offers only a slight improvement. Remember it's not Fiber. It connects directly to the VRAD. You'll still use that same copper phone line. Based on your provider, that line might be in poor condition, which could be contributing to your problems. It's hard to say for sure.
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CJWPercy
11-09-2016, 01:30 PM #12

VDSL offers only a slight improvement. Remember it's not Fiber. It connects directly to the VRAD. You'll still use that same copper phone line. Based on your provider, that line might be in poor condition, which could be contributing to your problems. It's hard to say for sure.

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sunnylouis
Member
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11-09-2016, 08:32 PM
#13
vdsl is essentially similar to adsl, but it shortcuts one stage of the setup. Still, it relies on copper cables, which is problematic nowadays due to weather, signal interference, and distance from ISP hubs. It tends to be unreliable in recent years. Other options like coaxial or optical fiber are the main alternatives, except for 4G and future 5G. Hopefully, Elon Musk will bring low-orbit internet satellites soon, but that’s likely a few years away.
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sunnylouis
11-09-2016, 08:32 PM #13

vdsl is essentially similar to adsl, but it shortcuts one stage of the setup. Still, it relies on copper cables, which is problematic nowadays due to weather, signal interference, and distance from ISP hubs. It tends to be unreliable in recent years. Other options like coaxial or optical fiber are the main alternatives, except for 4G and future 5G. Hopefully, Elon Musk will bring low-orbit internet satellites soon, but that’s likely a few years away.

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dayEric
Member
71
11-11-2016, 07:44 PM
#14
Fiber is expected to follow, since people are far away from me, yet their upload speeds remain similar. I anticipate it within about six months, but I'm uncertain if the wait is worthwhile.
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dayEric
11-11-2016, 07:44 PM #14

Fiber is expected to follow, since people are far away from me, yet their upload speeds remain similar. I anticipate it within about six months, but I'm uncertain if the wait is worthwhile.

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Ionasphere
Member
51
11-12-2016, 10:08 PM
#15
when migrating to VDSL fiber won<|pad|>, it won't arrive for six months. Companies wouldn't invest if they intend to go FTTH; you'd need coaxial, HFC, or another provider if alternatives exist.
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Ionasphere
11-12-2016, 10:08 PM #15

when migrating to VDSL fiber won<|pad|>, it won't arrive for six months. Companies wouldn't invest if they intend to go FTTH; you'd need coaxial, HFC, or another provider if alternatives exist.

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ChadtheGreat1
Junior Member
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11-16-2016, 04:37 PM
#16
VDSL offers a noticeable improvement over older technologies, especially when you're near the installation but farther from the exchange. I experienced 3Mbit with ADSL2+, 80Mbit with VDSL, but now it's down to 63Mbit because many users are using the service on the street. VDSL provides a significant leap compared to ADSL, eliminating long cable runs for faster connections. However, it's not identical to ADSL and can still face problems similar to VDSL. The best choice depends on your specific location and network quality. In the UK, VDSL tends to be more stable in certain areas compared to cable. While cable can reach higher speeds with proper management, it's often more affected by heavy usage during busy times.
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ChadtheGreat1
11-16-2016, 04:37 PM #16

VDSL offers a noticeable improvement over older technologies, especially when you're near the installation but farther from the exchange. I experienced 3Mbit with ADSL2+, 80Mbit with VDSL, but now it's down to 63Mbit because many users are using the service on the street. VDSL provides a significant leap compared to ADSL, eliminating long cable runs for faster connections. However, it's not identical to ADSL and can still face problems similar to VDSL. The best choice depends on your specific location and network quality. In the UK, VDSL tends to be more stable in certain areas compared to cable. While cable can reach higher speeds with proper management, it's often more affected by heavy usage during busy times.

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kimcheese_
Member
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11-18-2016, 01:04 PM
#17
the issue with vdsl is that it's still made from copper wires, which wear out over time. in some regions people might steal these wires, and recycling copper presents challenges. the distance between endpoints is another concern. electromagnetic interference from devices like radios, smartphones, wifi signals, and electric motors can disrupt the signal. while coaxial cables are somewhat better at handling noise, fiber optics remain superior overall.
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kimcheese_
11-18-2016, 01:04 PM #17

the issue with vdsl is that it's still made from copper wires, which wear out over time. in some regions people might steal these wires, and recycling copper presents challenges. the distance between endpoints is another concern. electromagnetic interference from devices like radios, smartphones, wifi signals, and electric motors can disrupt the signal. while coaxial cables are somewhat better at handling noise, fiber optics remain superior overall.

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Tomitte
Junior Member
13
11-18-2016, 02:49 PM
#18
Acknowledging the reasons behind my slower speed, interference from nearby lines. Copper wire remains a common choice, typically thicker and more valuable to intercept. Those using ADSL would likely enjoy VDSL better, so it’s wise not to discourage switching. I ended up with two connections; if cable was nearby, I’d have both for reliability. 4G offers speed but often suffers from poor performance. It wouldn’t work well here, and I couldn’t rely on it as a backup due to frequent router outages.
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Tomitte
11-18-2016, 02:49 PM #18

Acknowledging the reasons behind my slower speed, interference from nearby lines. Copper wire remains a common choice, typically thicker and more valuable to intercept. Those using ADSL would likely enjoy VDSL better, so it’s wise not to discourage switching. I ended up with two connections; if cable was nearby, I’d have both for reliability. 4G offers speed but often suffers from poor performance. It wouldn’t work well here, and I couldn’t rely on it as a backup due to frequent router outages.

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Rounyx
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12-05-2016, 04:33 AM
#19
Coaxial isn't copper, the signal sent on those wires mainly stays on the surface of the thin copper layer. The real work happens in a cheaper metal, which is both useful and not worth stealing or recycling. Regarding VDSL, it's decent but limited—often tied to the ISP’s setup. If you consider the wiring, gear, and network, service quality can be good, though it's still constrained. VDSL is essentially the final stage, and most ISPs are shifting to fiber or pure fiber technologies. Fiber brings higher speeds, making DSL infrastructure costly and less practical. It's disappointing that 4G isn't stable, but 5G might offer improvements. In theory, satellite internet could outperform 5G. Time will tell what really works best.
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Rounyx
12-05-2016, 04:33 AM #19

Coaxial isn't copper, the signal sent on those wires mainly stays on the surface of the thin copper layer. The real work happens in a cheaper metal, which is both useful and not worth stealing or recycling. Regarding VDSL, it's decent but limited—often tied to the ISP’s setup. If you consider the wiring, gear, and network, service quality can be good, though it's still constrained. VDSL is essentially the final stage, and most ISPs are shifting to fiber or pure fiber technologies. Fiber brings higher speeds, making DSL infrastructure costly and less practical. It's disappointing that 4G isn't stable, but 5G might offer improvements. In theory, satellite internet could outperform 5G. Time will tell what really works best.

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TRUEBLUEFTW
Junior Member
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12-05-2016, 04:47 AM
#20
I believe coax is a dense solid copper center. Wires need significantly better quality coax than satellite, and even satellite uses a solid copper core. Even my landline cable is solid copper. Coated cables are worthless.
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TRUEBLUEFTW
12-05-2016, 04:47 AM #20

I believe coax is a dense solid copper center. Wires need significantly better quality coax than satellite, and even satellite uses a solid copper core. Even my landline cable is solid copper. Coated cables are worthless.

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