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Microsoft continues to gather data from recognized minor PC users' accounts.

Microsoft continues to gather data from recognized minor PC users' accounts.

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hwmi
Junior Member
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10-19-2021, 04:13 PM
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With Microsoft pushing users to sign up for Windows 11 via online accounts, it raises questions about privacy. If you set up a Microsoft email using an underage birth date, would the company legally gather usage data from a PC linked to that account?
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hwmi
10-19-2021, 04:13 PM #1

With Microsoft pushing users to sign up for Windows 11 via online accounts, it raises questions about privacy. If you set up a Microsoft email using an underage birth date, would the company legally gather usage data from a PC linked to that account?

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ThatMiningGuy
Senior Member
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10-19-2021, 04:52 PM
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That’s going to turn into a total chaos " can of worms" situation. It might also hinge on the laws in your country, with many legal concerns involved, plus possibly needing a parent account for buying things like Minecraft, Halo, or office subscriptions.
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ThatMiningGuy
10-19-2021, 04:52 PM #2

That’s going to turn into a total chaos " can of worms" situation. It might also hinge on the laws in your country, with many legal concerns involved, plus possibly needing a parent account for buying things like Minecraft, Halo, or office subscriptions.

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Nitro_PT
Member
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10-21-2021, 08:33 AM
#3
Windows 10 remains compatible through 2025. Keep an eye on the situation; the developers might find a method to pause data collection temporarily before proceeding. No urgency needed at the moment.
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Nitro_PT
10-21-2021, 08:33 AM #3

Windows 10 remains compatible through 2025. Keep an eye on the situation; the developers might find a method to pause data collection temporarily before proceeding. No urgency needed at the moment.

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Woozywolf65
Member
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10-21-2021, 03:35 PM
#4
People do purchase items from the MS Store. It seems they likely gather information without much effort. I doubt they’d ignore it entirely, and I wouldn’t expect a major legal battle over it soon.
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Woozywolf65
10-21-2021, 03:35 PM #4

People do purchase items from the MS Store. It seems they likely gather information without much effort. I doubt they’d ignore it entirely, and I wouldn’t expect a major legal battle over it soon.

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ChibiDusk
Member
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10-21-2021, 04:44 PM
#5
It seems like if behavioral ads are covered by COPPA, it's likely MS is gathering data in a similar way. I'm not concerned about telemetry here. This was just a passing thought—I don't have the details, but I suspect they might be violating some regulations.
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ChibiDusk
10-21-2021, 04:44 PM #5

It seems like if behavioral ads are covered by COPPA, it's likely MS is gathering data in a similar way. I'm not concerned about telemetry here. This was just a passing thought—I don't have the details, but I suspect they might be violating some regulations.

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10-21-2021, 06:53 PM
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this telemetry thing is a double edged sword... whilst i agree with the earlier statement about telemetry not necessarily meaning personal data.... there is a chance that the telemetry data could potentially be ramped up if you hit to many red flags .. if you think it only relates to targeted adds best of luck to you..... if your not doing anything dangerous or illegal you should be fine...... but if you are pretending to be a child when your not ..... that could get you put on the dangerous persons list, let alone being done for fraud...
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ohbabyitsnicki
10-21-2021, 06:53 PM #6

this telemetry thing is a double edged sword... whilst i agree with the earlier statement about telemetry not necessarily meaning personal data.... there is a chance that the telemetry data could potentially be ramped up if you hit to many red flags .. if you think it only relates to targeted adds best of luck to you..... if your not doing anything dangerous or illegal you should be fine...... but if you are pretending to be a child when your not ..... that could get you put on the dangerous persons list, let alone being done for fraud...

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Gladiador70
Senior Member
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10-21-2021, 07:34 PM
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I initially thought telemetry referred to environment usage data mainly used to shape MS development priorities and provide diagnostic support for fixing issues on their platform. However, this sounds far more serious than I anticipated. I’ve always believed that “Big Brother” simply gathers my usage information through ISPs and maintains a database they can access later if I appear on a watch list. Are you suggesting that telemetry is part of this process? If not, then the idea that MS has been motivated to act as a surveillance tool seems unlikely. Could you clarify whether increased telemetry collection is being driven by such concerns? What actions could trigger it? I see the potential here as a fraud example in the opening scene. For now, let’s assume a child sends an email using MS and then creates a user account on their new PC. Here are some points I have:

1. Does requiring an online login during setup mean Windows 11 falls under COPPA? My understanding suggests this might be true.
2. Is collecting telemetry itself a breach of COPPA? Some participants disagree, but I haven’t fully grasped the details.
3. If Windows acts as an operator and uses personal information to reach minors without guardian consent via MS Store or updates, is that a violation? Email addresses are considered personal info under COPPA, yet there’s much discussion about login credentials and usernames—am I misinterpreting? I don’t think an exemption for email logins exists. It seems from my reading that an operator can only contact a known minor without guardian permission for the purpose of obtaining consent.
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Gladiador70
10-21-2021, 07:34 PM #7

I initially thought telemetry referred to environment usage data mainly used to shape MS development priorities and provide diagnostic support for fixing issues on their platform. However, this sounds far more serious than I anticipated. I’ve always believed that “Big Brother” simply gathers my usage information through ISPs and maintains a database they can access later if I appear on a watch list. Are you suggesting that telemetry is part of this process? If not, then the idea that MS has been motivated to act as a surveillance tool seems unlikely. Could you clarify whether increased telemetry collection is being driven by such concerns? What actions could trigger it? I see the potential here as a fraud example in the opening scene. For now, let’s assume a child sends an email using MS and then creates a user account on their new PC. Here are some points I have:

1. Does requiring an online login during setup mean Windows 11 falls under COPPA? My understanding suggests this might be true.
2. Is collecting telemetry itself a breach of COPPA? Some participants disagree, but I haven’t fully grasped the details.
3. If Windows acts as an operator and uses personal information to reach minors without guardian consent via MS Store or updates, is that a violation? Email addresses are considered personal info under COPPA, yet there’s much discussion about login credentials and usernames—am I misinterpreting? I don’t think an exemption for email logins exists. It seems from my reading that an operator can only contact a known minor without guardian permission for the purpose of obtaining consent.

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missyT1396
Member
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10-21-2021, 09:19 PM
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the situation began that way, but it has grown, (starting with adding features and creating echo chambers). my view is they assume if google has managed this for years why not? they already have the ability to do this, based on what I understand. problems arise when they need to include personal details like birthdates in user profiles to unlock certain services (purchasing, credit cards, or games—especially those with intense content). i’m unsure what coppa actually intends, but it seems similar to child protection concerns. that’s why they insist you don’t leave your age blank on your profile. most parents know their children will eventually try to bypass these restrictions from anyone—parents, authorities, or government. if you can’t be legally held accountable, you can’t really use windows because you need to accept or reject their terms of service upfront. while for kids doing schoolwork, social media, and gaming (which often involves data collection), they probably wouldn’t mind, the future could see mandatory monitoring for accounts under a certain age. this would be justified as protecting users and improving system support, but in practice it might just be about expanding revenue streams.
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missyT1396
10-21-2021, 09:19 PM #8

the situation began that way, but it has grown, (starting with adding features and creating echo chambers). my view is they assume if google has managed this for years why not? they already have the ability to do this, based on what I understand. problems arise when they need to include personal details like birthdates in user profiles to unlock certain services (purchasing, credit cards, or games—especially those with intense content). i’m unsure what coppa actually intends, but it seems similar to child protection concerns. that’s why they insist you don’t leave your age blank on your profile. most parents know their children will eventually try to bypass these restrictions from anyone—parents, authorities, or government. if you can’t be legally held accountable, you can’t really use windows because you need to accept or reject their terms of service upfront. while for kids doing schoolwork, social media, and gaming (which often involves data collection), they probably wouldn’t mind, the future could see mandatory monitoring for accounts under a certain age. this would be justified as protecting users and improving system support, but in practice it might just be about expanding revenue streams.

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Porsas
Junior Member
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10-26-2021, 12:05 AM
#9
It usually relies on the laws in your country. For instance, some places prohibit advertising betting sites, adult content, or sex-related links to minors. This means a minor wouldn't search for such sites openly, but doing so could still be against the law.
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Porsas
10-26-2021, 12:05 AM #9

It usually relies on the laws in your country. For instance, some places prohibit advertising betting sites, adult content, or sex-related links to minors. This means a minor wouldn't search for such sites openly, but doing so could still be against the law.