F5F Stay Refreshed Hardware Desktop JEDEC standards for DDR4 2933MHz don't apply to this model.

JEDEC standards for DDR4 2933MHz don't apply to this model.

JEDEC standards for DDR4 2933MHz don't apply to this model.

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TomBarty
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05-02-2020, 03:39 PM
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Preview My three initial setups—Z77, Z170, and Z270—experienced XMP issues after two to three years, forcing a switch to JEDEC profiles. I had another PC (Z170) and rebuilt my cousin’s (Z270) system using an XMP-compatible RAM package, but I didn’t enable it. In reality, there were no problems, no BSODs, and no RAM failures outright. So XMP didn’t work for me at all.

Regarding JEDEC profiles: It operates smoothly at that speed, timing, and latency under 1.2V. The XMP version runs at the same speed, but with a higher voltage of 1.35V. You can adjust from MHz to GHz. Most RAM products actually list the base speed on their specs. Notably, Crucial’s JEDEC profile supports speeds up to 2.133 GHz, while Corsair’s offerings are primarily listed at 2.933 GHz or higher.

It’s clear that Intel’s XMP feature provides only a marginal boost—around 5%—unless you have memory that is extremely sensitive to speed and latency. Since the module sits directly next to the CPU, performance gains are minimal.

The main concern is that the base speed isn’t shown in the listings, which is unusual. I’ve checked Crucial’s and Corsair’s pages, but their entries focus on the original JEDEC rates.

For my second PC, I’m considering upgrading from 2x8GB to either 2x16GB or 2x32GB. My sibling’s usage nears 13GB out of 16GB, running Firefox, Bluestack, and multiple games. I aim for the fastest supported speed from the 10700K—around 2.933 GHz. Even my 10850K can handle that, so there’s essentially no problem. I don’t need a 10th Core i3 or i5, which doesn’t support it natively.

I think it’s late enough for DDR4 to be considered end-of-life, so higher-speed sticks are more likely available. But even then, I’m not convinced about those cheaper ECC RAM options.
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TomBarty
05-02-2020, 03:39 PM #1

Preview My three initial setups—Z77, Z170, and Z270—experienced XMP issues after two to three years, forcing a switch to JEDEC profiles. I had another PC (Z170) and rebuilt my cousin’s (Z270) system using an XMP-compatible RAM package, but I didn’t enable it. In reality, there were no problems, no BSODs, and no RAM failures outright. So XMP didn’t work for me at all.

Regarding JEDEC profiles: It operates smoothly at that speed, timing, and latency under 1.2V. The XMP version runs at the same speed, but with a higher voltage of 1.35V. You can adjust from MHz to GHz. Most RAM products actually list the base speed on their specs. Notably, Crucial’s JEDEC profile supports speeds up to 2.133 GHz, while Corsair’s offerings are primarily listed at 2.933 GHz or higher.

It’s clear that Intel’s XMP feature provides only a marginal boost—around 5%—unless you have memory that is extremely sensitive to speed and latency. Since the module sits directly next to the CPU, performance gains are minimal.

The main concern is that the base speed isn’t shown in the listings, which is unusual. I’ve checked Crucial’s and Corsair’s pages, but their entries focus on the original JEDEC rates.

For my second PC, I’m considering upgrading from 2x8GB to either 2x16GB or 2x32GB. My sibling’s usage nears 13GB out of 16GB, running Firefox, Bluestack, and multiple games. I aim for the fastest supported speed from the 10700K—around 2.933 GHz. Even my 10850K can handle that, so there’s essentially no problem. I don’t need a 10th Core i3 or i5, which doesn’t support it natively.

I think it’s late enough for DDR4 to be considered end-of-life, so higher-speed sticks are more likely available. But even then, I’m not convinced about those cheaper ECC RAM options.

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QueenErika
Junior Member
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05-09-2020, 03:26 PM
#2
Instead of relying on an XMP profile, you could simply upgrade to faster RAM and adjust the system clock directly.
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QueenErika
05-09-2020, 03:26 PM #2

Instead of relying on an XMP profile, you could simply upgrade to faster RAM and adjust the system clock directly.

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spidersaur187
Member
201
05-10-2020, 05:41 AM
#3
It's uncommon for a reason, possibly because exceeding a certain standard made memory makers easier to replace everything at 3200 MHz. If you purchase from Crucial's configurator and it fails (no profile exists for 1466/2933 on the 3200 stick), they likely need to issue a refund according to their terms.
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spidersaur187
05-10-2020, 05:41 AM #3

It's uncommon for a reason, possibly because exceeding a certain standard made memory makers easier to replace everything at 3200 MHz. If you purchase from Crucial's configurator and it fails (no profile exists for 1466/2933 on the 3200 stick), they likely need to issue a refund according to their terms.

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ReborntoKill
Posting Freak
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05-10-2020, 07:56 AM
#4
The issue is still the same, and it was running on that specific CPU.
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ReborntoKill
05-10-2020, 07:56 AM #4

The issue is still the same, and it was running on that specific CPU.

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kevinlepage1
Member
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05-10-2020, 03:47 PM
#5
Adjust the voltage, speed, and primary timing settings on the stick. Keep all sub-timings in auto mode so the motherboard organizes them. This should resolve about 90% of XMP issues (unless your RAM is too fast for the IMC to manage). Increasing voltage by roughly 200-500mV—meaning 1.37 to 1.4v if XMP is set at 1.35—will address around 9%. Minor problems (about 1%) are uncommon but tricky; they often stem from the motherboard rejecting the XMP profile or the CPU needing slightly more voltage.
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kevinlepage1
05-10-2020, 03:47 PM #5

Adjust the voltage, speed, and primary timing settings on the stick. Keep all sub-timings in auto mode so the motherboard organizes them. This should resolve about 90% of XMP issues (unless your RAM is too fast for the IMC to manage). Increasing voltage by roughly 200-500mV—meaning 1.37 to 1.4v if XMP is set at 1.35—will address around 9%. Minor problems (about 1%) are uncommon but tricky; they often stem from the motherboard rejecting the XMP profile or the CPU needing slightly more voltage.

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RedWeys
Member
55
05-17-2020, 03:51 PM
#6
that range is 0.2-0.5v 1.35v → 1.55v/1.85v the earlier value remains acceptable and is actually quite low for the cometlake imc, while the latter seems unrealistic unless you're pushing maximum frequency and/or extremely precise timing—I assume you meant 20-50mv = p, as with 2933jedec you'd just need some 3200c22 jumper sticks, whether heatspreader or standard bare green/black PCB, and it should likely auto-run at that frequency.
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RedWeys
05-17-2020, 03:51 PM #6

that range is 0.2-0.5v 1.35v → 1.55v/1.85v the earlier value remains acceptable and is actually quite low for the cometlake imc, while the latter seems unrealistic unless you're pushing maximum frequency and/or extremely precise timing—I assume you meant 20-50mv = p, as with 2933jedec you'd just need some 3200c22 jumper sticks, whether heatspreader or standard bare green/black PCB, and it should likely auto-run at that frequency.

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chenglee1998
Member
147
05-17-2020, 08:11 PM
#7
Thanks! I got confused about converting volts to millivolts.
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chenglee1998
05-17-2020, 08:11 PM #7

Thanks! I got confused about converting volts to millivolts.

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marinagrams
Member
216
05-18-2020, 03:43 AM
#8
It seems you're exploring Kingston's UK version. They offer a regional site and provide links to their product pages. You mentioned using JEDEC RAM for your laptop, noting the configuration options and some module recommendations. The datasheet may not list lower JEDEC profiles, but you might need Thaiphoon Burner to verify details. Let me know if you'd like help extracting the SPD table from your RAM example.
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marinagrams
05-18-2020, 03:43 AM #8

It seems you're exploring Kingston's UK version. They offer a regional site and provide links to their product pages. You mentioned using JEDEC RAM for your laptop, noting the configuration options and some module recommendations. The datasheet may not list lower JEDEC profiles, but you might need Thaiphoon Burner to verify details. Let me know if you'd like help extracting the SPD table from your RAM example.

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thehappy84
Senior Member
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05-18-2020, 04:41 AM
#9
It's still operating at 1.35V. My Crucial Ballistix for the 10850K is set to 2.666 base, I suspect they don't offer 2.933. The Z77 model was using an i5, while the rest are at 6700K. My cousin's PC ran on 7700K. All of this assumes a successful POST, which seems unreasonable if 1.37V works—though it might be problematic later as it could fail and require adjustments to 1.39V. It's frustrating when a BIOS update or reset forces you to redo everything, wasting time. Also, changing the refresh rate at specific resolutions isn't ideal. Based on my experience, running it at stock settings and aiming for the highest-rated version is best. Yes, Kingston Value helped with my search, but most options are outdated or unavailable locally.
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thehappy84
05-18-2020, 04:41 AM #9

It's still operating at 1.35V. My Crucial Ballistix for the 10850K is set to 2.666 base, I suspect they don't offer 2.933. The Z77 model was using an i5, while the rest are at 6700K. My cousin's PC ran on 7700K. All of this assumes a successful POST, which seems unreasonable if 1.37V works—though it might be problematic later as it could fail and require adjustments to 1.39V. It's frustrating when a BIOS update or reset forces you to redo everything, wasting time. Also, changing the refresh rate at specific resolutions isn't ideal. Based on my experience, running it at stock settings and aiming for the highest-rated version is best. Yes, Kingston Value helped with my search, but most options are outdated or unavailable locally.

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Nagol_26
Junior Member
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05-18-2020, 12:23 PM
#10
The RAM operating at 1.35V isn't the cause of failure.
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Nagol_26
05-18-2020, 12:23 PM #10

The RAM operating at 1.35V isn't the cause of failure.

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