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It's because of the way things are structured right now.

It's because of the way things are structured right now.

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Erykane67
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07-14-2023, 01:05 AM
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Currious question more then anything else. Why're most of the linux community against "changes" to make linux a more user friendly OS to use. I see a lot of "elitst" going against people like me and others that can see that linux can be a good choice if changes to how it works was made. Changes like drag and drop files (I have this issues a lot with some distros) less terminal stuff. And a standard APT store with a one click installer so you don't have to go into the terminal and do "apt install firefox" to get the most stable and right version of firefox to your system? would it really be that bad to have a one stop shop like the Microsoft store does for winodws users? I know that pop shop and ubuntu software center uses snaps / flatpak but those to types doesn't fix the bottom issue, a one click installer that just works and does it in the right way for the program to perform the best it can on the machine. I'm currious to hear your peoples ideaer and thoughts
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Erykane67
07-14-2023, 01:05 AM #1

Currious question more then anything else. Why're most of the linux community against "changes" to make linux a more user friendly OS to use. I see a lot of "elitst" going against people like me and others that can see that linux can be a good choice if changes to how it works was made. Changes like drag and drop files (I have this issues a lot with some distros) less terminal stuff. And a standard APT store with a one click installer so you don't have to go into the terminal and do "apt install firefox" to get the most stable and right version of firefox to your system? would it really be that bad to have a one stop shop like the Microsoft store does for winodws users? I know that pop shop and ubuntu software center uses snaps / flatpak but those to types doesn't fix the bottom issue, a one click installer that just works and does it in the right way for the program to perform the best it can on the machine. I'm currious to hear your peoples ideaer and thoughts

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_Furkan_
Junior Member
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07-18-2023, 10:31 PM
#2
The Linux community has been much more supportive than any other group. I don’t think the elitist view applies here. What you need is just a straightforward replacement for whatever OS you used before. That might not work in every case. Since hardware and software vary widely among users, it’s unrealistic on most platforms except Apple’s. Microsoft’s Windows store has struggled consistently, and their efforts to push it with new versions have mostly failed. This is why they’re pushing it more strongly now. Just because an app is available in the Windows Store doesn’t guarantee it’s the best version—Windows Store stores apps in encrypted files, which can hurt performance. On GNU/Linux distributions, each store has its own rules and priorities for inclusion. Some compile releases themselves, while others depend on maintainers providing them. In short, you’ll have to adjust. If you don’t want to, you can always create your own distribution tailored to your needs. Change can be tough.
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_Furkan_
07-18-2023, 10:31 PM #2

The Linux community has been much more supportive than any other group. I don’t think the elitist view applies here. What you need is just a straightforward replacement for whatever OS you used before. That might not work in every case. Since hardware and software vary widely among users, it’s unrealistic on most platforms except Apple’s. Microsoft’s Windows store has struggled consistently, and their efforts to push it with new versions have mostly failed. This is why they’re pushing it more strongly now. Just because an app is available in the Windows Store doesn’t guarantee it’s the best version—Windows Store stores apps in encrypted files, which can hurt performance. On GNU/Linux distributions, each store has its own rules and priorities for inclusion. Some compile releases themselves, while others depend on maintainers providing them. In short, you’ll have to adjust. If you don’t want to, you can always create your own distribution tailored to your needs. Change can be tough.

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mineyancraft
Junior Member
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07-19-2023, 08:54 PM
#3
The Ubuntu software store has performed well for me in this area.
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mineyancraft
07-19-2023, 08:54 PM #3

The Ubuntu software store has performed well for me in this area.

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MrAserFiles
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07-27-2023, 09:20 PM
#4
Linux isn't designed to match your preferences exactly, but it follows its own set of guidelines. You'll have to learn how to tailor your setup. Distros like Pop!_OS offer minimal terminal interaction if that suits you. I don’t know which forums you usually visit for Linux help, but there are definitely helpful communities available.
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MrAserFiles
07-27-2023, 09:20 PM #4

Linux isn't designed to match your preferences exactly, but it follows its own set of guidelines. You'll have to learn how to tailor your setup. Distros like Pop!_OS offer minimal terminal interaction if that suits you. I don’t know which forums you usually visit for Linux help, but there are definitely helpful communities available.

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Asaseufy
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07-29-2023, 04:54 AM
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"Most" refers to the general trend where certain distributions cater primarily to experienced users, while others are designed with beginners in mind. The author emphasizes that major distros handle this issue effectively without forcing a one-size-fits-all approach. It highlights that accessibility should not come at the cost of deviating from an operating system's core identity.
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Asaseufy
07-29-2023, 04:54 AM #5

"Most" refers to the general trend where certain distributions cater primarily to experienced users, while others are designed with beginners in mind. The author emphasizes that major distros handle this issue effectively without forcing a one-size-fits-all approach. It highlights that accessibility should not come at the cost of deviating from an operating system's core identity.

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mumien350
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07-30-2023, 10:59 PM
#6
I usually connect with the Ubuntu community where my skills often focus on "using the terminal." I get it that not everyone has the same goals, but it doesn’t change the point that Windows offers one solution while Linux still lacks a universal option. A one-size-fits-all approach works well for people like me who can use it without help, such as my girlfriend. She’s comfortable with GNOME DE but simple tasks feel frustrating for her because she’s used to Windows doing everything with a single click. I’ll be moving her over to Pop!_OS since I can’t keep fixing her PC when I’m at work; she’s good at handling things by just using them.
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mumien350
07-30-2023, 10:59 PM #6

I usually connect with the Ubuntu community where my skills often focus on "using the terminal." I get it that not everyone has the same goals, but it doesn’t change the point that Windows offers one solution while Linux still lacks a universal option. A one-size-fits-all approach works well for people like me who can use it without help, such as my girlfriend. She’s comfortable with GNOME DE but simple tasks feel frustrating for her because she’s used to Windows doing everything with a single click. I’ll be moving her over to Pop!_OS since I can’t keep fixing her PC when I’m at work; she’s good at handling things by just using them.

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MeepGirl493
Junior Member
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07-31-2023, 12:24 AM
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It's perfectly okay to stick with the distribution for your target audience; Windows Workstation edition works just fine. Ubuntu is what I personally prefer, though managing snaps can be a bit frustrating when they malfunction. Most issues stem from developers rather than users—though this could be specific to my installation setup. I plan to perform a clean install to test if that resolves the problem. That’s reassuring!

Over the years, both developers and users have shared their experiences with snaps and flatpak, which don’t rely on APT but use different sandboxing methods (flatpak seems to handle it better). I’m not sure why I said something that way—apologies if it came off wrong!

I avoid WINE because of its performance issues. Instead, I usually find a Linux version of the software I need, which works smoothly. It’s funny how things behave differently between Windows and Linux, especially with drivers and Bluetooth/USB. Outlook is particularly troublesome to manage.

The new Ubuntu versions seem more user-friendly compared to 20.04, which is a relief. My main complaints were snaps failing due to driver updates from Ubuntu, likely hardware-related. Nvidia’s driver choices can be problematic too—they’re sometimes unreliable.

Unrelated to this: Wayland on X11? It’s worth exploring if you’re curious. Just let me know if I’m mistaken! I’d rather learn than stay stuck in a closed mindset.
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MeepGirl493
07-31-2023, 12:24 AM #7

It's perfectly okay to stick with the distribution for your target audience; Windows Workstation edition works just fine. Ubuntu is what I personally prefer, though managing snaps can be a bit frustrating when they malfunction. Most issues stem from developers rather than users—though this could be specific to my installation setup. I plan to perform a clean install to test if that resolves the problem. That’s reassuring!

Over the years, both developers and users have shared their experiences with snaps and flatpak, which don’t rely on APT but use different sandboxing methods (flatpak seems to handle it better). I’m not sure why I said something that way—apologies if it came off wrong!

I avoid WINE because of its performance issues. Instead, I usually find a Linux version of the software I need, which works smoothly. It’s funny how things behave differently between Windows and Linux, especially with drivers and Bluetooth/USB. Outlook is particularly troublesome to manage.

The new Ubuntu versions seem more user-friendly compared to 20.04, which is a relief. My main complaints were snaps failing due to driver updates from Ubuntu, likely hardware-related. Nvidia’s driver choices can be problematic too—they’re sometimes unreliable.

Unrelated to this: Wayland on X11? It’s worth exploring if you’re curious. Just let me know if I’m mistaken! I’d rather learn than stay stuck in a closed mindset.

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Sichinator
Junior Member
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08-19-2023, 10:06 AM
#8
They don’t really offer a sandbox environment; everything comes bundled with the program to avoid version conflicts or missing files. Sadly, this isn’t within the Ubuntu developers’ control. If you want reliability, Wayland is still emerging and many features aren’t fully supported yet.
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Sichinator
08-19-2023, 10:06 AM #8

They don’t really offer a sandbox environment; everything comes bundled with the program to avoid version conflicts or missing files. Sadly, this isn’t within the Ubuntu developers’ control. If you want reliability, Wayland is still emerging and many features aren’t fully supported yet.

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Emily12341
Member
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08-19-2023, 11:07 AM
#9
What's best depends on your needs—apt is reliable, snaps is lightweight, and flatpak offers flexibility. Got a preference?
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Emily12341
08-19-2023, 11:07 AM #9

What's best depends on your needs—apt is reliable, snaps is lightweight, and flatpak offers flexibility. Got a preference?

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HippoMonk
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08-20-2023, 09:17 PM
#10
When checking official sources, apt is usually the top choice because the packages are smaller and thoroughly tested for your environment. Snaps come in as a close alternative since they receive official backing. Flatpak is best considered only when using Ubuntu.
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HippoMonk
08-20-2023, 09:17 PM #10

When checking official sources, apt is usually the top choice because the packages are smaller and thoroughly tested for your environment. Snaps come in as a close alternative since they receive official backing. Flatpak is best considered only when using Ubuntu.

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