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Intel Gracemont efficiency cores might serve as a foundation for future advancements in Conroe technology.

Intel Gracemont efficiency cores might serve as a foundation for future advancements in Conroe technology.

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IMayBeDead
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08-16-2023, 12:15 PM
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Intel faced challenges with single-threaded speed while maintaining high clock rates in the early 2000s, especially when compared to AMD’s Athlon 64 and even older models. AMD stepped up with Netburst CPUs that delivered impressive speeds but struggled with power use and heat. AMD later improved with Zen 2, matching Intel in multi-threaded performance and nearly matching it in efficiency. Then Zen 3 pushed Intel past its limits, much like the Athlon 64 X2 did for Pentium D or the single-core performance of the Pentium 4 at lower speeds.

With the arrival of Zen 3, Intel introduced Alder Lake, ending the 14nm era and offering better power efficiency. While it didn’t match Zen 3’s multi-threaded gains, it still outperformed AMD in many real-world tasks. AMD responded with Zen 3, which matched Intel in IPC but lagged in single-threaded speed.

Alder Lake P cores now deliver strong performance at similar clock speeds while consuming less power—similar to Skylake’s efficiency. Meanwhile, Gracemont cores offer decent speed for their power draw. This shift suggests a new era where Intel could focus on high-performance, low-power designs without relying on hybrid architectures.

The idea of reviving the Pentium M concept with improved efficiency and higher clock speeds is intriguing. If Intel could adapt that approach—like the evolution from Pentium M to Core Duo and then Conroe—then a future CPU with 5+ GHz, 10-16 cores, and better IPC than Zen 3 might be possible. It would be exciting if AMD could catch up and innovate too, keeping the competition alive rather than letting Intel dominate for years.

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IMayBeDead
08-16-2023, 12:15 PM #1

Intel faced challenges with single-threaded speed while maintaining high clock rates in the early 2000s, especially when compared to AMD’s Athlon 64 and even older models. AMD stepped up with Netburst CPUs that delivered impressive speeds but struggled with power use and heat. AMD later improved with Zen 2, matching Intel in multi-threaded performance and nearly matching it in efficiency. Then Zen 3 pushed Intel past its limits, much like the Athlon 64 X2 did for Pentium D or the single-core performance of the Pentium 4 at lower speeds.

With the arrival of Zen 3, Intel introduced Alder Lake, ending the 14nm era and offering better power efficiency. While it didn’t match Zen 3’s multi-threaded gains, it still outperformed AMD in many real-world tasks. AMD responded with Zen 3, which matched Intel in IPC but lagged in single-threaded speed.

Alder Lake P cores now deliver strong performance at similar clock speeds while consuming less power—similar to Skylake’s efficiency. Meanwhile, Gracemont cores offer decent speed for their power draw. This shift suggests a new era where Intel could focus on high-performance, low-power designs without relying on hybrid architectures.

The idea of reviving the Pentium M concept with improved efficiency and higher clock speeds is intriguing. If Intel could adapt that approach—like the evolution from Pentium M to Core Duo and then Conroe—then a future CPU with 5+ GHz, 10-16 cores, and better IPC than Zen 3 might be possible. It would be exciting if AMD could catch up and innovate too, keeping the competition alive rather than letting Intel dominate for years.

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Ammesamme
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08-19-2023, 09:49 AM
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WreckerSG
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08-24-2023, 09:38 AM
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Intel has been working on the e-core since the 2008 launch of Bonnell. It seems they aren’t close to major breakthroughs, yet having two distinct cores for specific tasks makes logical sense.
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WreckerSG
08-24-2023, 09:38 AM #3

Intel has been working on the e-core since the 2008 launch of Bonnell. It seems they aren’t close to major breakthroughs, yet having two distinct cores for specific tasks makes logical sense.

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Beccaa
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08-28-2023, 11:08 PM
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True no one knows for sure. Though I remember back in 2004-2005, everyone saying how much trouble Intel was in and AMD was kicking their tail since release of Athlon 64 in September 2003. And then they come out with dual core Athlon 64s in June 2005. Intel did not even have a dual core Pentium 4 based Pentium D yet. They came out with a paper launch they were so embarrassed, but the actual Pentium D CPUs did not come out until like August and were 2 Pentium 4s glued together in same package or something and rushed design. Its amazing how Intel from where they were in late 2004 to early 2005, in less than 2 years they not only have the Core 2 Duo. They came out with Core 2 Quad. They really wanted revenge on AMD for the a** whopping they took from September 2003 to June 2006. Do you think internally intel was worried about AMD back then. Or do you think they knew for years they could come up with a Core 2 variant that would knock AMD out, they just waited until they had to because prior to Athlon 64 X2, they did not have much need to cause even though Athlon 64 whipped Pentium 4 in gaming, Intel had HT and also much more overclocking headroom to compensate in a way for much worse IPC despite outlandish thermals and AMD did not so Intel probably smoother multi tasking before Athlon 64 X2 and Intel also had a grip on OEMs with deals for prices. Or do you think Intel was worried they just did a good job responding in time? As for this time. No one knows. And yeah a mere optical shrink will not work anymore with die size. Its like we have gotten to the law of diminishing returns in CPU tech. And what can be done anyways or even needs to be done. I mean even a Core 2 Duo system with an SSD these days and plenty of RAM can browse the web just fine unless you start to do it too heavy. And that is 12-15 year old tech. Try a more than 10 year old PC to browse the web even slowly or lightly on a 10+ year old PC in 2006. Not a chance. Gaming on other hand and video cards continue to evolve brilliantly. But the overall basic use of PC. Technology lasts long and longer for what they are used for with websites having to be designed to accommodate mobile devices keeping requirements low.
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Beccaa
08-28-2023, 11:08 PM #4

True no one knows for sure. Though I remember back in 2004-2005, everyone saying how much trouble Intel was in and AMD was kicking their tail since release of Athlon 64 in September 2003. And then they come out with dual core Athlon 64s in June 2005. Intel did not even have a dual core Pentium 4 based Pentium D yet. They came out with a paper launch they were so embarrassed, but the actual Pentium D CPUs did not come out until like August and were 2 Pentium 4s glued together in same package or something and rushed design. Its amazing how Intel from where they were in late 2004 to early 2005, in less than 2 years they not only have the Core 2 Duo. They came out with Core 2 Quad. They really wanted revenge on AMD for the a** whopping they took from September 2003 to June 2006. Do you think internally intel was worried about AMD back then. Or do you think they knew for years they could come up with a Core 2 variant that would knock AMD out, they just waited until they had to because prior to Athlon 64 X2, they did not have much need to cause even though Athlon 64 whipped Pentium 4 in gaming, Intel had HT and also much more overclocking headroom to compensate in a way for much worse IPC despite outlandish thermals and AMD did not so Intel probably smoother multi tasking before Athlon 64 X2 and Intel also had a grip on OEMs with deals for prices. Or do you think Intel was worried they just did a good job responding in time? As for this time. No one knows. And yeah a mere optical shrink will not work anymore with die size. Its like we have gotten to the law of diminishing returns in CPU tech. And what can be done anyways or even needs to be done. I mean even a Core 2 Duo system with an SSD these days and plenty of RAM can browse the web just fine unless you start to do it too heavy. And that is 12-15 year old tech. Try a more than 10 year old PC to browse the web even slowly or lightly on a 10+ year old PC in 2006. Not a chance. Gaming on other hand and video cards continue to evolve brilliantly. But the overall basic use of PC. Technology lasts long and longer for what they are used for with websites having to be designed to accommodate mobile devices keeping requirements low.

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craftingwarior
Junior Member
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08-29-2023, 05:03 AM
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Many individuals seem to agree on this point. The issue appears to stem from people not reviewing the material, choosing silence for reasons, or being restricted by NDAs. I observed that ideas about an older core architecture based on a much bigger node won't apply due to recent changes in node behavior. This isn't dependent on deep intel hardware expertise or chip design details beyond what Intel has officially shared.
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craftingwarior
08-29-2023, 05:03 AM #5

Many individuals seem to agree on this point. The issue appears to stem from people not reviewing the material, choosing silence for reasons, or being restricted by NDAs. I observed that ideas about an older core architecture based on a much bigger node won't apply due to recent changes in node behavior. This isn't dependent on deep intel hardware expertise or chip design details beyond what Intel has officially shared.