I need assistance in raising the RAM frequency to 3600MHz
I need assistance in raising the RAM frequency to 3600MHz
It's important to note that I'm entirely new to overclocking, and much of this is confusing for me. I've been experimenting with various settings to reach 3600mhz, which is the speed I originally purchased the RAM for. I'm seeking guidance to stop at 3200 or 3400 and focus on minimizing latency, though I'm uncertain if aiming for 3600 is correct. If my approach is incorrect, please advise how to optimally place the RAM in its ideal position.
I own a B450 Tomahawk Max with a Ryzen 5 3600x processor. According to what I understand, these should work well for achieving 3600mhz. My RAM is a Viper Steel Series DDR4 32GB (2 x 16GB) at 3600MHz, rated at 2.5V. The label indicates it's Samsung B-Die, but after uploading a picture of the label, I believe it's actually Hynix CJR. Reading comments suggested it might be compatible with Patriot, though reviews on Amazon and other sites indicate it performs well, functioning effectively.
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I'll go through the steps I attempted, as best I remember:
Initially, I used the default BIOS settings and enabled A-XMP. I tried profiles 1 and 2, but both caused the PC to fail to boot and required a CMOS reset. To fix this, I removed the Mobo battery.
Next, I used the DRAM calculator and phaiphoon, which also required a CMOS reset.
I followed advice from Patriot Support: ensure the RAM is correctly seated, keep the BIOS updated, stick to optimized defaults and XMP settings, then gradually increase the frequency starting from 2400mhz. I reached around 3400mhz before experiencing crashes or BSODs. 3200mhz worked with basic XMP, but adjusting voltages proved challenging; most attempts resulted in BSOD at 3400mhz.
Patriot Support suggested trying specific profiles:
- 3466MHz (18-26-26-46) 1.4v
- 3466MHz (18-26-26-46) 1.45v
- 3466MHz (20-26-26-46) 1.4v
- 3466MHz (20-26-26-46) 1.45v
All these attempts failed to stabilize the system, leading to boot failures.
I then consulted a guide from https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHel...aster/DDR4 OC Guide.md to try alternative methods. I followed the instructions carefully, adjusting timings and voltages, but still encountered BSODs at 3200mhz. I eventually tried increasing the SOC up to 1.1 for a brief period, which resulted in a crash.
After several trials, I explored other combinations, including using Game Boost, but this increased the voltage to 2T, which I believe is problematic. During a stress test at 3400mhz, I still received BSODs.
This process has been very complex and frustrating. I've reached out to experts for assistance. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated, along with any additional information or recommendations you can provide.
Thank you for your support!
Examining your Thaiphoon screenshot shows those certified times point to a really bad bin of B-die or outright fake B-die. I’d send the kit back to Patriot just because of that. Get G.Skills—they always work with AMD, no matter what die they use. I’ve run a 3600MT/s kit at 3800CL16 Hynix dies myself.
When you used Dram Calculator, did you capture a picture and attempt to enter all possible values for the BIOS manually? The Thaiphoon burner will provide the necessary data to set up Dram Calculator correctly, ensuring you get the right values. It will also list the IC chips present in your RAM.
View: https://youtu.be/1GTekAB1Zzc
I’m not sure how thoroughly you explored the manual setup of the RAM. I thought it might be worth checking. Xmp is an automated preset option and may not always function properly. Manual configuration can also fail sometimes, but if you decide to use Dram Calculator, make sure the RAM is set to manual mode (Xmp off) and input the values suggested by the diagnostics.
Try using Gear down mode together with Xmp or manual settings. It might be available under the command rate section. Not certain, but it could be an option where 1T and 2T are selectable. Gear down mode is a middle setting that might be useful.
Ensure your RAM is positioned in the 2nd and 4th slots relative to the CPU.
I captured a photo and attempted to enter each value manually. I used Safe as the initial choice, then tried Min and Rec values within it. I think XMP was likely enabled, so I’ll test without it while using DRAM values. The photo didn’t recognize the IC chips, though it identified the manufacturer as Samsung, which suggests the Patriot support team mentioned it’s Samsung B-Die.
Gear Down proved challenging. Setting everything to 1T disables the ability to adjust Gear Down separately. I can either use 1T, 2T, or combine them in one setting for timing. This seems tied to Command Rate. A dedicated Gear Down setting locks automatically at 1T and can’t be modified. I’ll check the DRAM calculator settings and see how it performs without XMP enabled, though I’m not sure that’s what I did.
My RAM is installed in slots 2 and 4, matching the previous RAM configuration and following the guidance in my motherboard manual.
I haven't experimented with a single stick yet. Would it be better to remove one and then repeat the DRAM calculation process using just one DIMM module? Also, the DRAM PCB revision isn't covered in that guide, but when I import XMP details it requires manual adjustments, showing different results depending on the settings I choose. Should I rely on the imported HTML from that source or continue with A3/A2/B2? It seems like testing both options would be wise.
Checking the details across from the serial row isn't confirmed by Thaiphoon.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cw..._your_xmp/
Telling you the same applies when handling two items is just for troubleshooting compatibility.
No, Thaiphoon only mentions 16GB / 1 Die.
I experimented with six different settings using two distinct value sets from DRAM Calc. One set came from the HTML report, the other from the A3/A2/B2 PCB revision option. I've also attached photos of the settings and the outcomes I observed.
The first result Thaiphoon displays (hopeful images work):
https://imgur.com/a/twFdNeA
View: https://imgur.com/a/twFdNeA
This reflects the values DRAM Calc provided for A3/A2/B2 in PCB, excluding the report data.
https://imgur.com/a/T8COQid
View: https://imgur.com/a/T8COQid
I tested all these values with minimum voltages first, then followed with recommended ones. I also tried minimum voltages with XMP enabled. All three approaches produced identical results before encountering a bios error: "Memory overclocking fail. f1 to Bios".
The next step would be applying the same process but selecting only one RAM stick in the calculation and placing it in the A2 slot on the PCB. I attempted this too, but the DRAM Calc and Thaiphoon didn’t yield useful results. It might be due to incorrect settings or something else—I’m not sure yet.
Sorry if the images aren’t clear; if they don’t work, I’ll find out after sharing this post. 😀
Are you certain you possess the Samsung B die memory? Given its cost, it's likely you're aware of its purchase.