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help me understand wifi 6 speeds and specs?

help me understand wifi 6 speeds and specs?

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Brrra
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11-07-2019, 10:22 PM
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Hey, imagine your laptop has a special wireless card called Killer WiFi 6 AX1650w. Intel says it can go up to 2.4 gigabits per second, but you think it should be faster—maybe around 10 gigabits per second for Wi-Fi 6. That’s confusing because Wi-Fi 6 usually works a bit slower than that. The issue might be with how the system is set up or what your internet plan allows. It could also depend on the router, the distance between them, or even how you’re using the network. Try checking the speed on another device or see if your internet speed is actually higher than what it claims.
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Brrra
11-07-2019, 10:22 PM #1

Hey, imagine your laptop has a special wireless card called Killer WiFi 6 AX1650w. Intel says it can go up to 2.4 gigabits per second, but you think it should be faster—maybe around 10 gigabits per second for Wi-Fi 6. That’s confusing because Wi-Fi 6 usually works a bit slower than that. The issue might be with how the system is set up or what your internet plan allows. It could also depend on the router, the distance between them, or even how you’re using the network. Try checking the speed on another device or see if your internet speed is actually higher than what it claims.

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mezaa_eclipse
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11-08-2019, 07:44 PM
#2
Certain gadgets, under various settings, might handle speeds near 10Gbps, though the device itself explicitly confirms it doesn’t.
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mezaa_eclipse
11-08-2019, 07:44 PM #2

Certain gadgets, under various settings, might handle speeds near 10Gbps, though the device itself explicitly confirms it doesn’t.

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OsamaBinAldi
Junior Member
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11-08-2019, 09:56 PM
#3
Go read .
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OsamaBinAldi
11-08-2019, 09:56 PM #3

Go read .

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Hydroforce33
Senior Member
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11-10-2019, 01:12 AM
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You might be mixing up WiFi 6 and WiFi 6e. 6e introduces support for 6 GHz frequencies. Generally, using a higher frequency band results in faster data rates. Achieving peak performance depends on many factors working together.
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Hydroforce33
11-10-2019, 01:12 AM #4

You might be mixing up WiFi 6 and WiFi 6e. 6e introduces support for 6 GHz frequencies. Generally, using a higher frequency band results in faster data rates. Achieving peak performance depends on many factors working together.

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Slimey9000
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11-10-2019, 02:30 AM
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They're mixing up the real performance limits of WiFi 6 (excluding extra costs) when comparing two high-end gadgets using 8x8 MIMO. Most routers and access points only handle 4x4 MU-MIMO, while most clients are limited to 2x2, capping speeds at around 2400Mbit link rate and 1700Mbit in practice. Interestingly, the only device I've encountered this on is my Steam Deck OLED, and it's mostly seen in lab tests—Steam can't even reach Gigabit speeds lately. It seems WiFi 7 might actually achieve 5Gbit real-world performance under ideal settings, using a 5GHz 160Mhz and 6GHz 320Mhz channel with multi-link operation and just 2x2 MIMO. Keep in mind, combining different WiFi standards on the same router or access point isn't very effective if you want maximum speed. Just yesterday I switched all my older devices off my WiFi 6 AP and noticed more stable connections and lower latency with my WiFi 6 devices.
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Slimey9000
11-10-2019, 02:30 AM #5

They're mixing up the real performance limits of WiFi 6 (excluding extra costs) when comparing two high-end gadgets using 8x8 MIMO. Most routers and access points only handle 4x4 MU-MIMO, while most clients are limited to 2x2, capping speeds at around 2400Mbit link rate and 1700Mbit in practice. Interestingly, the only device I've encountered this on is my Steam Deck OLED, and it's mostly seen in lab tests—Steam can't even reach Gigabit speeds lately. It seems WiFi 7 might actually achieve 5Gbit real-world performance under ideal settings, using a 5GHz 160Mhz and 6GHz 320Mhz channel with multi-link operation and just 2x2 MIMO. Keep in mind, combining different WiFi standards on the same router or access point isn't very effective if you want maximum speed. Just yesterday I switched all my older devices off my WiFi 6 AP and noticed more stable connections and lower latency with my WiFi 6 devices.

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xMarley789x
Junior Member
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11-17-2019, 09:23 PM
#6
right ok that would explain why am only getting like 280-320mbps when downloading games to my laptop over wifi from my desktop (desktops has a 2.5gbps wired link to my AP) due to my laptop being 2x2 obvs the 2.5gb wired link is a bottle net as well
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xMarley789x
11-17-2019, 09:23 PM #6

right ok that would explain why am only getting like 280-320mbps when downloading games to my laptop over wifi from my desktop (desktops has a 2.5gbps wired link to my AP) due to my laptop being 2x2 obvs the 2.5gb wired link is a bottle net as well

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Bartekdwarf
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12-03-2019, 05:34 AM
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ELI5 - 10gbps means how much data a router with eight antennas could send to another device with eight antennas, but that’s not really possible. Most computers and phones have just one or two antennas. With two antennas, the max speed is about 2.5gbps under ideal conditions. For everyday users, this is usually okay because most people get around 1.5gbps from their internet service, so the real limit comes from their connection to the ISP. Also, these speeds change depending on the situation—being far from the router, facing interference, or being in a crowded area can slow things down. That’s why a wired connection is often better than wireless.
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Bartekdwarf
12-03-2019, 05:34 AM #7

ELI5 - 10gbps means how much data a router with eight antennas could send to another device with eight antennas, but that’s not really possible. Most computers and phones have just one or two antennas. With two antennas, the max speed is about 2.5gbps under ideal conditions. For everyday users, this is usually okay because most people get around 1.5gbps from their internet service, so the real limit comes from their connection to the ISP. Also, these speeds change depending on the situation—being far from the router, facing interference, or being in a crowded area can slow things down. That’s why a wired connection is often better than wireless.

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12-04-2019, 11:39 AM
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It varies a bit based on your proximity to the router. Before I set my WiFi 5 gadgets on their dedicated Access Point, I experienced frequent interruptions with speeds around 500Mbit in the same space. The situation also hinges on your channel width—some Intel WiFi cards struggle, requiring 160Mhz to reach full speed, while others perform near 80Mhz.
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xXHufflePuffXx
12-04-2019, 11:39 AM #8

It varies a bit based on your proximity to the router. Before I set my WiFi 5 gadgets on their dedicated Access Point, I experienced frequent interruptions with speeds around 500Mbit in the same space. The situation also hinges on your channel width—some Intel WiFi cards struggle, requiring 160Mhz to reach full speed, while others perform near 80Mhz.

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WH0LEF33D
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12-10-2019, 05:45 AM
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So others have already discussed this. I can elaborate more. The 2.4Gbps figure mentioned by Intel describes the theoretical maximum speed of the connection (the PHY capability) that a Wi-Fi card can achieve between an access point and the card itself. This depends on factors like antenna setup, the modulation standard supported by the card, and the available channel bandwidth. You can find more details here: https://mcsindex.net/ For the Wi-Fi Card’s specifications, check this page: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/...tions.html The AX1650w is a 2x2 device (supporting two spatial streams and 2x2 MIMO) and it can run at 160MHz channel widths with Wi-Fi 6. Wi-Fi 6 uses OFDMA modulation. Using the information above, we locate the row for 2 Spatial Streams and proceed to the bottom of that group. We skip rows with only red boxes since they don’t represent real speeds. Then we focus on the column labeled “2x996-tone RU / 160MHz” to determine the peak speed at 160MHz for a card with two spatial streams, considering Wi-Fi 6. Going further along the chart, we find the number “2402.0,” which equals 2.4Gbps—the theoretical upper limit according to Intel’s specs. There are alternative methods to interpret the table, but this should clarify how the manufacturer communicates that figure. Now, regarding expected performance if the card operates under optimal conditions to hit that 2.4Gbps, it will vary. A common guideline for Wi-Fi is to halve the theoretical speed—so around 1.2Gbps. This applies because Wi-Fi works as a “half duplex” system, transmitting or receiving at once. Thanks to technological improvements, Wi-Fi can adjust timing to boost speeds, allowing downloads or uploads between 1.6 and 1.8Gbps depending on usage. This is why Wi-Fi often lags during gaming or streaming while a wired connection performs consistently. This explanation should help you grasp the factors influencing actual performance.
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WH0LEF33D
12-10-2019, 05:45 AM #9

So others have already discussed this. I can elaborate more. The 2.4Gbps figure mentioned by Intel describes the theoretical maximum speed of the connection (the PHY capability) that a Wi-Fi card can achieve between an access point and the card itself. This depends on factors like antenna setup, the modulation standard supported by the card, and the available channel bandwidth. You can find more details here: https://mcsindex.net/ For the Wi-Fi Card’s specifications, check this page: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/...tions.html The AX1650w is a 2x2 device (supporting two spatial streams and 2x2 MIMO) and it can run at 160MHz channel widths with Wi-Fi 6. Wi-Fi 6 uses OFDMA modulation. Using the information above, we locate the row for 2 Spatial Streams and proceed to the bottom of that group. We skip rows with only red boxes since they don’t represent real speeds. Then we focus on the column labeled “2x996-tone RU / 160MHz” to determine the peak speed at 160MHz for a card with two spatial streams, considering Wi-Fi 6. Going further along the chart, we find the number “2402.0,” which equals 2.4Gbps—the theoretical upper limit according to Intel’s specs. There are alternative methods to interpret the table, but this should clarify how the manufacturer communicates that figure. Now, regarding expected performance if the card operates under optimal conditions to hit that 2.4Gbps, it will vary. A common guideline for Wi-Fi is to halve the theoretical speed—so around 1.2Gbps. This applies because Wi-Fi works as a “half duplex” system, transmitting or receiving at once. Thanks to technological improvements, Wi-Fi can adjust timing to boost speeds, allowing downloads or uploads between 1.6 and 1.8Gbps depending on usage. This is why Wi-Fi often lags during gaming or streaming while a wired connection performs consistently. This explanation should help you grasp the factors influencing actual performance.