F5F Stay Refreshed Hardware Desktop For compact small workstations or servers, consider an AM5 Mobo designed for space efficiency and portability.

For compact small workstations or servers, consider an AM5 Mobo designed for space efficiency and portability.

For compact small workstations or servers, consider an AM5 Mobo designed for space efficiency and portability.

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susie1an
Member
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12-15-2022, 09:49 AM
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Requirement: * Strong VRM that handles solid power demands and supports OCed 9950X (and future 200W TDP 9950X3D2) reliably day in and day out with plenty of headroom. * Largest number of PCIe5 lanes available * Main slot featuring PCIe5x16 + at least one PCIe4X4 on the board * Durable PCB with quick memory access, confirmed at minimum 8400MHz * Error correction helpful but not essential: * Additional PCIe slot * One or more M.2 PCIe4x4 ports, extending beyond the main chipset * Internal Wi-Fi module. * Second PCIe5x16 port is useful, though not mandatory. MoBos models are uncommon, costly, and lack extra features. Also, since you can use cables and mezzanine panels, this adds little value. * More than one output for displays * USB4 is beneficial, but it limits the PCIe5 lanes by converting them to PCIe4, which is somewhat limiting. Still, many cool accessories can be connected. * Overall, Asrock's X870 Nova WiFi stands out: it costs under €300, features a 18+2+1-phase 80A VRM, offers 2 USB4 ports, three extra M.2 slots (one for Wi-Fi), etc. Other notable picks:* [ASRock X870 Nova WiFi] * [ASUS TUF Gaming X870-Plus WIFI] * [MSI MPG B850 Edge TI WIFI] * [MSI MAG X870 Tomahawk WIFI] * [MSI MAG X870E Tomahawk WIFI] * [GIGABYTE X870E AORUS Pro ICE] * [GIGABYTE B850 AI TOP* GIGABYTE is intriguing due to 110A MOSFETs, three PCIe ports and two 10GbE NICs built-in. For some it could be a budget server running on 10GbE. Any suggestions for upcoming models in this area?
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susie1an
12-15-2022, 09:49 AM #1

Requirement: * Strong VRM that handles solid power demands and supports OCed 9950X (and future 200W TDP 9950X3D2) reliably day in and day out with plenty of headroom. * Largest number of PCIe5 lanes available * Main slot featuring PCIe5x16 + at least one PCIe4X4 on the board * Durable PCB with quick memory access, confirmed at minimum 8400MHz * Error correction helpful but not essential: * Additional PCIe slot * One or more M.2 PCIe4x4 ports, extending beyond the main chipset * Internal Wi-Fi module. * Second PCIe5x16 port is useful, though not mandatory. MoBos models are uncommon, costly, and lack extra features. Also, since you can use cables and mezzanine panels, this adds little value. * More than one output for displays * USB4 is beneficial, but it limits the PCIe5 lanes by converting them to PCIe4, which is somewhat limiting. Still, many cool accessories can be connected. * Overall, Asrock's X870 Nova WiFi stands out: it costs under €300, features a 18+2+1-phase 80A VRM, offers 2 USB4 ports, three extra M.2 slots (one for Wi-Fi), etc. Other notable picks:* [ASRock X870 Nova WiFi] * [ASUS TUF Gaming X870-Plus WIFI] * [MSI MPG B850 Edge TI WIFI] * [MSI MAG X870 Tomahawk WIFI] * [MSI MAG X870E Tomahawk WIFI] * [GIGABYTE X870E AORUS Pro ICE] * [GIGABYTE B850 AI TOP* GIGABYTE is intriguing due to 110A MOSFETs, three PCIe ports and two 10GbE NICs built-in. For some it could be a budget server running on 10GbE. Any suggestions for upcoming models in this area?

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12-15-2022, 11:25 AM
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I wouldn't actually worry about this too much for a variety of reasons. First off, there isn't any standard testing criteria for this, so these numbers are mostly meaningless when not comparing between different manufacturers. Also they test with a golden sample CPU, so the boards likely won't do anywhere near the speed that they say they can. Finally, you don't want to run at anywhere near those speeds, they don't offer that much of a performance gain compared to 6000 CL30 because they're stuck in 2:1 mode and are much more tempermental to get functional. If you're actually doing something that needs to run these fast memory speeds, get a 1DPC board like the X870E Apex, B850M Force, or B850MPOWER, but odds are you're not. Also less likely to be relevant than what you're thinking it would be. Almost every AM5 board above ~$150 has a VRM like that, so unless you're buying quite cheap boards (given the other features you're mentioning, you're not) it's not something you really need to worry about. What are you going to be doing with this system anyway? This is a relatively odd set of features you say are nice to haves if you don't really have a plan to ue them.
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AvulcanLogic00
12-15-2022, 11:25 AM #2

I wouldn't actually worry about this too much for a variety of reasons. First off, there isn't any standard testing criteria for this, so these numbers are mostly meaningless when not comparing between different manufacturers. Also they test with a golden sample CPU, so the boards likely won't do anywhere near the speed that they say they can. Finally, you don't want to run at anywhere near those speeds, they don't offer that much of a performance gain compared to 6000 CL30 because they're stuck in 2:1 mode and are much more tempermental to get functional. If you're actually doing something that needs to run these fast memory speeds, get a 1DPC board like the X870E Apex, B850M Force, or B850MPOWER, but odds are you're not. Also less likely to be relevant than what you're thinking it would be. Almost every AM5 board above ~$150 has a VRM like that, so unless you're buying quite cheap boards (given the other features you're mentioning, you're not) it's not something you really need to worry about. What are you going to be doing with this system anyway? This is a relatively odd set of features you say are nice to haves if you don't really have a plan to ue them.

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yalex27
Senior Member
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12-22-2022, 05:58 AM
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Fine, even with a high-quality sample, PCB signal quality must remain exceptional (impedance control, dielectric consistency, etc.) to achieve those speeds. This gives me a strong foundation, even if I don’t hit the advertised rates. For high frequencies, I aim for 16-core support to ease the strain from RAM bandwidth. The 8000–8400 MHz range is ideal for 8000 and 9000 series because it provides a fourfold increase in IF. Yes, there’s a 2:1 downside, but it mainly affects command throughput—so long as the T_cl is even, it doesn’t matter much. 1DPC is the best fit for a workstation needing solid RAM speeds. Ideally, using just two RAM slots would be better for servers and certain applications, but that limits flexibility. Benchmarks suggest otherwise. Smaller VRMs tend to overheat, so the CPU must throttle. To ensure reliable performance and minimize thermal issues, it’s wise to maintain good thermal/power margins. Just because a VRM survived an hour of intense benchmarking at around 20°C doesn’t guarantee consistent results in real-world conditions or extreme heat.
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yalex27
12-22-2022, 05:58 AM #3

Fine, even with a high-quality sample, PCB signal quality must remain exceptional (impedance control, dielectric consistency, etc.) to achieve those speeds. This gives me a strong foundation, even if I don’t hit the advertised rates. For high frequencies, I aim for 16-core support to ease the strain from RAM bandwidth. The 8000–8400 MHz range is ideal for 8000 and 9000 series because it provides a fourfold increase in IF. Yes, there’s a 2:1 downside, but it mainly affects command throughput—so long as the T_cl is even, it doesn’t matter much. 1DPC is the best fit for a workstation needing solid RAM speeds. Ideally, using just two RAM slots would be better for servers and certain applications, but that limits flexibility. Benchmarks suggest otherwise. Smaller VRMs tend to overheat, so the CPU must throttle. To ensure reliable performance and minimize thermal issues, it’s wise to maintain good thermal/power margins. Just because a VRM survived an hour of intense benchmarking at around 20°C doesn’t guarantee consistent results in real-world conditions or extreme heat.

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Viggo_Malte
Junior Member
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12-22-2022, 09:08 PM
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The gap between 6000 and 8400MT/s is significant when it comes to signaling needs. Those extra benefits aren't as important at the speeds you actually operate. Two-way mode halves the memory controller clock speed, which greatly raises memory latency. Once you reach 8000Mt/s, the improvement becomes noticeable, but achieving such speeds remains challenging even on capable boards with strong CPUs. For servers where reliability matters, these risks aren't worth it—especially since reboot instability can occur after a single restart, causing failure within seconds. This was common in older X99 systems, but today's manufacturers often build boards that are overly complex for VRMs. Overheating and CPU throttling on AM5 chips are mostly an issue only with very low-end boards; spending more than about $150 usually avoids this problem. Most of the time, after one hour at this speed, temperatures stabilize around mid-80s, which is acceptable in a typical 35°C room, allowing reliable operation even during continuous summer use.
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Viggo_Malte
12-22-2022, 09:08 PM #4

The gap between 6000 and 8400MT/s is significant when it comes to signaling needs. Those extra benefits aren't as important at the speeds you actually operate. Two-way mode halves the memory controller clock speed, which greatly raises memory latency. Once you reach 8000Mt/s, the improvement becomes noticeable, but achieving such speeds remains challenging even on capable boards with strong CPUs. For servers where reliability matters, these risks aren't worth it—especially since reboot instability can occur after a single restart, causing failure within seconds. This was common in older X99 systems, but today's manufacturers often build boards that are overly complex for VRMs. Overheating and CPU throttling on AM5 chips are mostly an issue only with very low-end boards; spending more than about $150 usually avoids this problem. Most of the time, after one hour at this speed, temperatures stabilize around mid-80s, which is acceptable in a typical 35°C room, allowing reliable operation even during continuous summer use.

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DarkKiller_V3
Member
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12-23-2022, 08:07 PM
#5
I'm evaluating the same board design for both compact workstations and small servers. The goal is to minimize differences in hardware choices and simplify management. While specific needs vary, each role has distinct preferences. A server may benefit from ECC memory at its default settings. Certain workstations might use just two 24GiB RAM modules at higher speeds, while others could opt for two 48GiB modules at around 7200MHz. Some may prefer a configuration with four 64GiB sticks. As long as the same motherboard can accommodate all options without a significant cost increase, it's a mutually beneficial solution.
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DarkKiller_V3
12-23-2022, 08:07 PM #5

I'm evaluating the same board design for both compact workstations and small servers. The goal is to minimize differences in hardware choices and simplify management. While specific needs vary, each role has distinct preferences. A server may benefit from ECC memory at its default settings. Certain workstations might use just two 24GiB RAM modules at higher speeds, while others could opt for two 48GiB modules at around 7200MHz. Some may prefer a configuration with four 64GiB sticks. As long as the same motherboard can accommodate all options without a significant cost increase, it's a mutually beneficial solution.

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Agman10
Senior Member
690
01-12-2023, 03:03 PM
#6
Based on my experience, ferrite coils lose their magnetic properties gradually, capacitors follow their own aging process, and frequent temperature changes wear down components over time.
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Agman10
01-12-2023, 03:03 PM #6

Based on my experience, ferrite coils lose their magnetic properties gradually, capacitors follow their own aging process, and frequent temperature changes wear down components over time.

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james26665
Senior Member
537
01-31-2023, 10:11 PM
#7
The numbers you're seeing are for high-end RAM upgrades. For real performance gains, consider 2-DIMM rack boards built around those specs. Building on AM5 would be impractical unless you invest heavily in testing and adjustments. Be wary of manufacturers listing unrealistic speeds—they might be misleading. @RONOTHAN##
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james26665
01-31-2023, 10:11 PM #7

The numbers you're seeing are for high-end RAM upgrades. For real performance gains, consider 2-DIMM rack boards built around those specs. Building on AM5 would be impractical unless you invest heavily in testing and adjustments. Be wary of manufacturers listing unrealistic speeds—they might be misleading. @RONOTHAN##

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MadLyfe
Junior Member
47
02-04-2023, 04:50 AM
#8
The ASRock X870 Nova Wi-Fi offers solid performance at 18+2+1 phases delivering 80A, making it a strong choice even for a high-end board like the 9950X3D2 under OC. Its price under €300 is quite appealing. A few considerations: VRM cooling provides good heat management, but verify heatsink mass and fin density. Some setups with this configuration can overheat without robust airflow. Memory support varies; official QVL lists often don’t confirm speeds above 8400 MHz despite capable boards. For DDR5 overclocking, check if ASUS ROG or MSI ACE are verifying those rates. ECC support is limited to unvalidated modes for most X870/B850 models. Future updates may bring a Gigabyte AORUS Xtreme variant with stronger VRM and possibly 25GbE. If patience pays off, it could fit your needs. Mid-range options like the MSI MAG X870E Tomahawk or Gigabyte X870E AORUS Pro Ice are close alternatives, though the latter may offer better value for server/NAS tasks. Overall, the ASRock Nova Wi-Fi strikes a good balance of power delivery, connectivity, and affordability at the moment.
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MadLyfe
02-04-2023, 04:50 AM #8

The ASRock X870 Nova Wi-Fi offers solid performance at 18+2+1 phases delivering 80A, making it a strong choice even for a high-end board like the 9950X3D2 under OC. Its price under €300 is quite appealing. A few considerations: VRM cooling provides good heat management, but verify heatsink mass and fin density. Some setups with this configuration can overheat without robust airflow. Memory support varies; official QVL lists often don’t confirm speeds above 8400 MHz despite capable boards. For DDR5 overclocking, check if ASUS ROG or MSI ACE are verifying those rates. ECC support is limited to unvalidated modes for most X870/B850 models. Future updates may bring a Gigabyte AORUS Xtreme variant with stronger VRM and possibly 25GbE. If patience pays off, it could fit your needs. Mid-range options like the MSI MAG X870E Tomahawk or Gigabyte X870E AORUS Pro Ice are close alternatives, though the latter may offer better value for server/NAS tasks. Overall, the ASRock Nova Wi-Fi strikes a good balance of power delivery, connectivity, and affordability at the moment.