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Discussion about Intel Xe graphics performance and features.

Discussion about Intel Xe graphics performance and features.

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ECFatula
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01-29-2023, 12:41 PM
#1
I've been reviewing content about Xe graphics and remain uncertain about whether it will only use integrated graphics or also support dedicated graphics for a PCIe slot.
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ECFatula
01-29-2023, 12:41 PM #1

I've been reviewing content about Xe graphics and remain uncertain about whether it will only use integrated graphics or also support dedicated graphics for a PCIe slot.

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Cooldudepa
Junior Member
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01-29-2023, 09:07 PM
#2
It seems Xe will become an iGPU, followed by Intel launching its own dedicated GPU (though I'm not sure if they'll use the same name). But maybe I'm mistaken.
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Cooldudepa
01-29-2023, 09:07 PM #2

It seems Xe will become an iGPU, followed by Intel launching its own dedicated GPU (though I'm not sure if they'll use the same name). But maybe I'm mistaken.

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Xindis_
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01-30-2023, 02:38 PM
#3
The system doesn't have any integration. Currently, it uses standalone graphics. A combined version could be added later, but it isn't available now.
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Xindis_
01-30-2023, 02:38 PM #3

The system doesn't have any integration. Currently, it uses standalone graphics. A combined version could be added later, but it isn't available now.

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Blue_Fox_Lady
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01-31-2023, 10:57 AM
#4
Yes, the low-power DG1 can work as both a dedicated GPU and an integrated GPU.
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Blue_Fox_Lady
01-31-2023, 10:57 AM #4

Yes, the low-power DG1 can work as both a dedicated GPU and an integrated GPU.

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Glenex
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02-04-2023, 10:57 AM
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The name "DG" originates from the phrase "Discrete Graphics."
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Glenex
02-04-2023, 10:57 AM #5

The name "DG" originates from the phrase "Discrete Graphics."

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BendoNoel
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02-14-2023, 09:38 PM
#6
They’re not hindering the process of embedding the design within their CPU and renaming it. Take AMD’s Vega card—make it significantly smaller and remove the memory controller, which is exactly what Ryzen APUs provide.
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BendoNoel
02-14-2023, 09:38 PM #6

They’re not hindering the process of embedding the design within their CPU and renaming it. Take AMD’s Vega card—make it significantly smaller and remove the memory controller, which is exactly what Ryzen APUs provide.

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krewpiece
Junior Member
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02-14-2023, 10:40 PM
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They haven't done it yet. The Xe graphics remain separate, and I don't know if anyone at Intel has mentioned any upcoming integrated release.
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krewpiece
02-14-2023, 10:40 PM #7

They haven't done it yet. The Xe graphics remain separate, and I don't know if anyone at Intel has mentioned any upcoming integrated release.

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Seoulsib
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02-14-2023, 11:32 PM
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It is currently envisioned as a flexible, tile-based system. If their strategy works out, they could build anything from compact GPUs to powerful server accelerators. For now, they remain standalone GPUs. If integration with CPUs becomes necessary, adjustments to the design may be required. Ideally, merging their iGPU segment with the XE division would be beneficial, but only if the XE architecture can scale effectively. The iGPU variant of XE would likely occupy just a fraction of a tile. Being tile-based suggests it may sacrifice gaming performance. Creating a tile-based solution will naturally add latency, which is detrimental for games. Unless they develop an intelligent scheduler to minimize die-to-die communication, the single-tile approach could stand out.
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Seoulsib
02-14-2023, 11:32 PM #8

It is currently envisioned as a flexible, tile-based system. If their strategy works out, they could build anything from compact GPUs to powerful server accelerators. For now, they remain standalone GPUs. If integration with CPUs becomes necessary, adjustments to the design may be required. Ideally, merging their iGPU segment with the XE division would be beneficial, but only if the XE architecture can scale effectively. The iGPU variant of XE would likely occupy just a fraction of a tile. Being tile-based suggests it may sacrifice gaming performance. Creating a tile-based solution will naturally add latency, which is detrimental for games. Unless they develop an intelligent scheduler to minimize die-to-die communication, the single-tile approach could stand out.

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sonicjlm
Junior Member
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03-01-2023, 11:14 AM
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They also desire a compact GPU with limited power requirements for their server offerings, still capable of basic tasks. Back then, it was impressive to see some Xeon CPUs include integrated GPUs that could manage simple video processing. Currently, this isn't part of the strategy with XE. The focus is shifting toward machine learning performance, making gaming less relevant. If the design leans heavily on tensor cores, it may only shine in gaming once Nvidia's GameGAN gains traction.
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sonicjlm
03-01-2023, 11:14 AM #9

They also desire a compact GPU with limited power requirements for their server offerings, still capable of basic tasks. Back then, it was impressive to see some Xeon CPUs include integrated GPUs that could manage simple video processing. Currently, this isn't part of the strategy with XE. The focus is shifting toward machine learning performance, making gaming less relevant. If the design leans heavily on tensor cores, it may only shine in gaming once Nvidia's GameGAN gains traction.

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MasTerH200
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03-01-2023, 11:48 AM
#10
Intel is developing an architecture designed for easy expansion. There are whispers about Gen12 iGPUs built on Tiger Lake (Xe LP) and even large data center cards (Xe HP), aiming to address both your points. Expect a variety of options, ranging from integrated graphics to cards with cores comparable to the 2080Ti. This isn't primarily focused on raw GPU performance, as it's about fixed hardware. It resembles nvdec, which works identically across devices like the 1650 Super and Titan RTX. Xe is intended for general use—whether for gaming or high-performance computing. It seems the primary goal is low-end gaming. There are no signs of additional hardware features such as tensor cores, only some speculation about ray tracing, which remains minimal. Also, GameGAN isn't involved in running games; that might just be a joke, but it's something many won't grasp.
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MasTerH200
03-01-2023, 11:48 AM #10

Intel is developing an architecture designed for easy expansion. There are whispers about Gen12 iGPUs built on Tiger Lake (Xe LP) and even large data center cards (Xe HP), aiming to address both your points. Expect a variety of options, ranging from integrated graphics to cards with cores comparable to the 2080Ti. This isn't primarily focused on raw GPU performance, as it's about fixed hardware. It resembles nvdec, which works identically across devices like the 1650 Super and Titan RTX. Xe is intended for general use—whether for gaming or high-performance computing. It seems the primary goal is low-end gaming. There are no signs of additional hardware features such as tensor cores, only some speculation about ray tracing, which remains minimal. Also, GameGAN isn't involved in running games; that might just be a joke, but it's something many won't grasp.

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