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DDR5 compatible with AM5 still faces challenges?

DDR5 compatible with AM5 still faces challenges?

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tomtomjumbo
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10-18-2021, 01:42 AM
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AM5 came out in September 2022. After nearly two years, using only four DDR5 sticks still poses stability problems. As someone who isn’t a tech expert, I’m wondering why it’s taking so long for DDR5 to become more reliable. Right now, I’m looking to add more RAM, but instead of just adding two more modules, I need to swap out my current ones with new ones that offer more capacity and lower latency. The trade-off is cost—replacing hardware is more expensive than upgrading. Are others facing the same issue, or is this just my experience?
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tomtomjumbo
10-18-2021, 01:42 AM #1

AM5 came out in September 2022. After nearly two years, using only four DDR5 sticks still poses stability problems. As someone who isn’t a tech expert, I’m wondering why it’s taking so long for DDR5 to become more reliable. Right now, I’m looking to add more RAM, but instead of just adding two more modules, I need to swap out my current ones with new ones that offer more capacity and lower latency. The trade-off is cost—replacing hardware is more expensive than upgrading. Are others facing the same issue, or is this just my experience?

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peemja
Junior Member
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10-19-2021, 04:28 PM
#2
I use four 16GB sticks in 6000CL36 format and everything works fine. It seems better than expected, though it might not match DDR4 exactly.
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peemja
10-19-2021, 04:28 PM #2

I use four 16GB sticks in 6000CL36 format and everything works fine. It seems better than expected, though it might not match DDR4 exactly.

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CoenTjee
Member
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10-20-2021, 06:47 AM
#3
You assess your requirements carefully. 96GB options are common in 2-DIMM setups and 128GB is increasingly accessible. In reality, when you discuss memory with others, they often mention that 2 DIMM per channel boards were impractical for DDR5 in consumer markets. However, modern builds can easily accommodate this setup.
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CoenTjee
10-20-2021, 06:47 AM #3

You assess your requirements carefully. 96GB options are common in 2-DIMM setups and 128GB is increasingly accessible. In reality, when you discuss memory with others, they often mention that 2 DIMM per channel boards were impractical for DDR5 in consumer markets. However, modern builds can easily accommodate this setup.

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Begouch_
Junior Member
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10-20-2021, 07:21 AM
#4
Since the task seems overly complex, handling the signal processing for four DIMMs presents significant challenges. Each pair of DIMMs in a memory channel features distinct wire lengths, causing timing discrepancies. At frequencies exceeding 3000MHz, the required timing window becomes extremely narrow. Even starting up is remarkable, let alone maintaining performance at such high speeds (6000MT/s). The higher capacity DIMMs add another layer—DDR5 supports more bank groups per rank than DDR4, increasing controller workload. Running four banks in a single rank isn’t excessive for smaller capacities, but scaling up to 192GB demands substantial strain that limits practical speeds. This issue predates DDR4’s breakthroughs; achieving high-speed dual-rank DIMMs in consumer systems took considerable time, and early DDR4 platforms didn’t fully benefit from memory speed. The real turning point came with the first generation of Ryzen processors, where fast memory became essential. By then, DDR4 was nearing its end, though it wasn’t until later that high-capacity solutions could handle demanding workloads. Latency mainly depends on the quality of the memory IC itself; while some lower-capacity chips perform better, this isn’t a universal rule. The best available ICs vary widely across capacities. In short, there are three main groups: gamers who need quick access to 32GB, professionals requiring large amounts for demanding tasks, and specialized users needing massive bandwidth for big datasets. These categories often overlap, but they’re distinct enough that most people don’t face this issue unless they’re targeting professional-grade hardware. Many individuals simply buy systems, use them until they fail, and replace them—so the concern rarely arises. Even if someone continues using their setup, 32GB RAM will last a long time, and upgrading isn’t usually necessary.
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Begouch_
10-20-2021, 07:21 AM #4

Since the task seems overly complex, handling the signal processing for four DIMMs presents significant challenges. Each pair of DIMMs in a memory channel features distinct wire lengths, causing timing discrepancies. At frequencies exceeding 3000MHz, the required timing window becomes extremely narrow. Even starting up is remarkable, let alone maintaining performance at such high speeds (6000MT/s). The higher capacity DIMMs add another layer—DDR5 supports more bank groups per rank than DDR4, increasing controller workload. Running four banks in a single rank isn’t excessive for smaller capacities, but scaling up to 192GB demands substantial strain that limits practical speeds. This issue predates DDR4’s breakthroughs; achieving high-speed dual-rank DIMMs in consumer systems took considerable time, and early DDR4 platforms didn’t fully benefit from memory speed. The real turning point came with the first generation of Ryzen processors, where fast memory became essential. By then, DDR4 was nearing its end, though it wasn’t until later that high-capacity solutions could handle demanding workloads. Latency mainly depends on the quality of the memory IC itself; while some lower-capacity chips perform better, this isn’t a universal rule. The best available ICs vary widely across capacities. In short, there are three main groups: gamers who need quick access to 32GB, professionals requiring large amounts for demanding tasks, and specialized users needing massive bandwidth for big datasets. These categories often overlap, but they’re distinct enough that most people don’t face this issue unless they’re targeting professional-grade hardware. Many individuals simply buy systems, use them until they fail, and replace them—so the concern rarely arises. Even if someone continues using their setup, 32GB RAM will last a long time, and upgrading isn’t usually necessary.

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_Ninguem_
Member
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10-20-2021, 08:17 AM
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The answer lies in setting up distinct systems for gaming and work tasks. Historically, four sticks should work well by the end of the DDR5 era, and memory layouts will likely improve further—similar to how older models handled different speeds. By the next generation, gigabytes may push even more advanced memory topologies, and performance will depend heavily on optimization. Eventually, reaching four sticks won’t be a huge issue, but it will still require significant adjustments to reach standard speeds. Ultimately, going for gigabytes in the latest generation makes sense since they usually offer the most efficient memory solutions.
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_Ninguem_
10-20-2021, 08:17 AM #5

The answer lies in setting up distinct systems for gaming and work tasks. Historically, four sticks should work well by the end of the DDR5 era, and memory layouts will likely improve further—similar to how older models handled different speeds. By the next generation, gigabytes may push even more advanced memory topologies, and performance will depend heavily on optimization. Eventually, reaching four sticks won’t be a huge issue, but it will still require significant adjustments to reach standard speeds. Ultimately, going for gigabytes in the latest generation makes sense since they usually offer the most efficient memory solutions.

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_Engr_
Junior Member
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10-20-2021, 08:48 AM
#6
4 sticks work when you lower the clock speed to 3600MHz, but 48GB isn’t enough for you?
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_Engr_
10-20-2021, 08:48 AM #6

4 sticks work when you lower the clock speed to 3600MHz, but 48GB isn’t enough for you?