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Creating a small build?

Creating a small build?

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MrTurtleLover
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07-28-2021, 09:31 PM
#11
Another way to assess processors is by checking their passmark ratings.
For instance, the Apple M1 features 8 processing threads and a passmark score of 14186.
This rating applies when all threads are actively engaged.
A single-thread rating of 3705 is considered excellent:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu...Hz&id=4104
The $300 R7-7700X has a score of 16,36513 out of 4279.
A comparable $300 I5-14600K shows:
I5-14600K 20,40394/4294
The most recent strong AM5 upgrade is the $550 R9-7950X, with a rating of 32,63418 out of 4312.
The top LGA1700 upgrade matches the similarly priced I9-14900K, scoring 32,60672 out of 4758.
I consult various forums and notice that AMD users often favor AMD products, while Intel users lean toward Intel options.
I belong to the Intel side.
I aim to present both perspectives on this matter.
I observe more challenges with AMD, especially regarding RAM compatibility.
Maybe due to the relatively new AM5 platform.
AMD relies heavily on high-speed RAM for optimal performance.
Intel processors, however, are less dependent on rapid RAM speeds.
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MrTurtleLover
07-28-2021, 09:31 PM #11

Another way to assess processors is by checking their passmark ratings.
For instance, the Apple M1 features 8 processing threads and a passmark score of 14186.
This rating applies when all threads are actively engaged.
A single-thread rating of 3705 is considered excellent:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu...Hz&id=4104
The $300 R7-7700X has a score of 16,36513 out of 4279.
A comparable $300 I5-14600K shows:
I5-14600K 20,40394/4294
The most recent strong AM5 upgrade is the $550 R9-7950X, with a rating of 32,63418 out of 4312.
The top LGA1700 upgrade matches the similarly priced I9-14900K, scoring 32,60672 out of 4758.
I consult various forums and notice that AMD users often favor AMD products, while Intel users lean toward Intel options.
I belong to the Intel side.
I aim to present both perspectives on this matter.
I observe more challenges with AMD, especially regarding RAM compatibility.
Maybe due to the relatively new AM5 platform.
AMD relies heavily on high-speed RAM for optimal performance.
Intel processors, however, are less dependent on rapid RAM speeds.

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Froyo_
Member
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08-04-2021, 05:06 PM
#12
I've worked extensively with Autodesk tools, PTC Creo, SolidWorks, and similar platforms, all on Intel and Nvidia hardware. Before that, engineers relied on Sun Workstations—though newer teams have shifted to the latest software. (The original CAD pioneer Pro Engineer was still popular.) I also used Intel HEDT processors and full-size Quadro systems.

I explored Fusion 360 for the 13th/14th generation with Ryzen 7000 processors, but found limited reliable information, mostly based on personal experience.

X3D chips seem less suitable because of their slow clock speeds. I’d prefer the 14700K to cut costs. A compact system would also struggle with that setup. A non-X Ryzen 7700 might be a better fit, or a 14700 without the K core.
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Froyo_
08-04-2021, 05:06 PM #12

I've worked extensively with Autodesk tools, PTC Creo, SolidWorks, and similar platforms, all on Intel and Nvidia hardware. Before that, engineers relied on Sun Workstations—though newer teams have shifted to the latest software. (The original CAD pioneer Pro Engineer was still popular.) I also used Intel HEDT processors and full-size Quadro systems.

I explored Fusion 360 for the 13th/14th generation with Ryzen 7000 processors, but found limited reliable information, mostly based on personal experience.

X3D chips seem less suitable because of their slow clock speeds. I’d prefer the 14700K to cut costs. A compact system would also struggle with that setup. A non-X Ryzen 7700 might be a better fit, or a 14700 without the K core.

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AnjoCinto
Junior Member
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08-04-2021, 06:40 PM
#13
the 7700X isn't that hot compared to an unlocked 14700k, particularly when the CPU isn't under heavy load like rendering. Both devices consume roughly similar power and maintain comparable temperatures when not fully used. I believe the GPU is the primary limiting factor, as mentioned earlier. Taking this into account, given the price of 7700/X and the necessity for a robust aftermarket cooler in a compact space, I recommended the 7700X. Considering its upgrade potential, AM5 seems more suitable to me.
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AnjoCinto
08-04-2021, 06:40 PM #13

the 7700X isn't that hot compared to an unlocked 14700k, particularly when the CPU isn't under heavy load like rendering. Both devices consume roughly similar power and maintain comparable temperatures when not fully used. I believe the GPU is the primary limiting factor, as mentioned earlier. Taking this into account, given the price of 7700/X and the necessity for a robust aftermarket cooler in a compact space, I recommended the 7700X. Considering its upgrade potential, AM5 seems more suitable to me.

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Volerty
Junior Member
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08-06-2021, 08:09 AM
#14
It might be that the LGA 1851 / 15th gen. LGA1700 is nearing its end of life.
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Volerty
08-06-2021, 08:09 AM #14

It might be that the LGA 1851 / 15th gen. LGA1700 is nearing its end of life.

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Lior1001
Member
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08-06-2021, 09:41 AM
#15
It's also possible to enable eco mode on the 7700X, making it a good option. Future Ryzen 8700 or 9700 models would definitely be worth considering.
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Lior1001
08-06-2021, 09:41 AM #15

It's also possible to enable eco mode on the 7700X, making it a good option. Future Ryzen 8700 or 9700 models would definitely be worth considering.

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aurodude
Member
202
08-11-2021, 05:14 AM
#16
Additionally, I don't do very heavy lifting, just a few PCBs each year, almost none of the mechanical work, and mostly use generative designs for 3D printing.
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aurodude
08-11-2021, 05:14 AM #16

Additionally, I don't do very heavy lifting, just a few PCBs each year, almost none of the mechanical work, and mostly use generative designs for 3D printing.

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Goljat12
Member
213
08-16-2021, 07:12 PM
#17
Not to overlook any of your views, but how do you feel about this design? I can purchase it for about $1500.
Lenovo ThinkStation P3 Ultra Small Form Factor Workstation
Processor : 13th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-13700 vPro® Processor (E-cores up to 4.10 GHz P-cores up to 5.10 GHz)
Operating System : Windows 11 Pro 64
Graphic Card : NVIDIA® RTX™ A2000 12GB GDDR6
Memory : 64 GB DDR5-4000MHz (SODIMM) - (2 x 32 GB)
Storage : 1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Performance TLC Opal
AC Adapter / Power Supply : 300W
Pointing Device : USB Optical Mouse
Keyboard : USB, Traditional, Black - English (US)
Networking : Built-in Ethernet
Wireless : Intel® Wi-Fi 6E AX211 2x2 AX vPro® & Bluetooth® 5.1 or higher
Warranty : 3 Years On-site
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Goljat12
08-16-2021, 07:12 PM #17

Not to overlook any of your views, but how do you feel about this design? I can purchase it for about $1500.
Lenovo ThinkStation P3 Ultra Small Form Factor Workstation
Processor : 13th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-13700 vPro® Processor (E-cores up to 4.10 GHz P-cores up to 5.10 GHz)
Operating System : Windows 11 Pro 64
Graphic Card : NVIDIA® RTX™ A2000 12GB GDDR6
Memory : 64 GB DDR5-4000MHz (SODIMM) - (2 x 32 GB)
Storage : 1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Performance TLC Opal
AC Adapter / Power Supply : 300W
Pointing Device : USB Optical Mouse
Keyboard : USB, Traditional, Black - English (US)
Networking : Built-in Ethernet
Wireless : Intel® Wi-Fi 6E AX211 2x2 AX vPro® & Bluetooth® 5.1 or higher
Warranty : 3 Years On-site

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awesomer121
Junior Member
12
08-16-2021, 08:40 PM
#18
It seems like this could be a very good deal in a compact package.
Lenovo is regularly running promotions, some of which we might not notice.
In the past, I reached out to a Lenovo salesperson directly and received a sale that wasn’t visible on the website.
It wouldn't hurt to call.
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awesomer121
08-16-2021, 08:40 PM #18

It seems like this could be a very good deal in a compact package.
Lenovo is regularly running promotions, some of which we might not notice.
In the past, I reached out to a Lenovo salesperson directly and received a sale that wasn’t visible on the website.
It wouldn't hurt to call.

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Romppanen_
Member
202
08-22-2021, 06:51 AM
#19
Through the employee discount program, I have access.
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Romppanen_
08-22-2021, 06:51 AM #19

Through the employee discount program, I have access.

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jcool1184
Junior Member
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08-22-2021, 07:20 AM
#20
I previously worked at IBM and benefited from an employee discount. Contact the discount line for even better offers. The RTX2000 might complicate matters.
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jcool1184
08-22-2021, 07:20 AM #20

I previously worked at IBM and benefited from an employee discount. Contact the discount line for even better offers. The RTX2000 might complicate matters.

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