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Check if it's advised to clear all HDD data before installing Windows 11.

Check if it's advised to clear all HDD data before installing Windows 11.

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Rxnger
Member
198
05-07-2021, 08:08 PM
#11
Does it refer to the primary C drive? I'm using a USB to install the Windows setup file.
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Rxnger
05-07-2021, 08:08 PM #11

Does it refer to the primary C drive? I'm using a USB to install the Windows setup file.

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AllAboard24
Junior Member
3
05-07-2021, 09:39 PM
#12
Yes, that is correct.
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AllAboard24
05-07-2021, 09:39 PM #12

Yes, that is correct.

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mat_fram
Posting Freak
776
05-12-2021, 12:59 PM
#13
it is advisable to refresh the bios, ssd firmware, and cpu firmware prior to wiping your system.
once the wipe is complete, access the bios interface, implement the necessary adjustments (disable components you don’t need), allow the device to run quietly so the ssd can execute its cleanup process.
restart and verify the new bios ram settings, then proceed with installing windows.
follow with various driver updates from the motherboard manufacturer, not third-party utilities, after that install the GPU driver updates and other essential third-party software.
many users skip updating the bios, resulting in mismatched motherboard drivers for their bios version.
note: firmware may also need updating for audio devices, usb controllers, mice, cpu coolers, and rgb light controllers.
ignoring these updates can lead to issues such as incorrect control signals for rgb light settings being sent to a cpu cooler controller, causing significant problems.
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mat_fram
05-12-2021, 12:59 PM #13

it is advisable to refresh the bios, ssd firmware, and cpu firmware prior to wiping your system.
once the wipe is complete, access the bios interface, implement the necessary adjustments (disable components you don’t need), allow the device to run quietly so the ssd can execute its cleanup process.
restart and verify the new bios ram settings, then proceed with installing windows.
follow with various driver updates from the motherboard manufacturer, not third-party utilities, after that install the GPU driver updates and other essential third-party software.
many users skip updating the bios, resulting in mismatched motherboard drivers for their bios version.
note: firmware may also need updating for audio devices, usb controllers, mice, cpu coolers, and rgb light controllers.
ignoring these updates can lead to issues such as incorrect control signals for rgb light settings being sent to a cpu cooler controller, causing significant problems.

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Xman2525
Junior Member
38
05-12-2021, 01:05 PM
#14
Updating BIOS isn't something you can do on a whim. BIOS update, as such, is only viable when you know
for a fact
that newer BIOS fixes the specific issue you have with your PC. (E.g if i want to use Kaby Lake CPU with my Z170 chipset MoBo, i need to update my MoBo BIOS.) If there are no issues, there is no reason, what-so-ever, to update BIOS. Just because you "can" update BIOS doesn't mean that you "have to". Or in other words: "If it ain't broke - don't fix it."
Most MoBos never get their BIOS updated and work fine until they are obsolete (e.g i'm running my MoBo with vanilla BIOS for the past 9 years now). Also, do note that when BIOS update would be interrupted for whatever reason (e.g power loss), MoBo
will be bricked
since PC won't run when MoBo has corrupt BIOS. And only fix is MoBo replacement. If lucky, one can roll back the BIOS update, if MoBo has that feature. Or use 2nd BIOS when MoBo has dual-BIOS feature. But these two redundancy features are rare and only found on high-end, very expensive MoBos.
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Xman2525
05-12-2021, 01:05 PM #14

Updating BIOS isn't something you can do on a whim. BIOS update, as such, is only viable when you know
for a fact
that newer BIOS fixes the specific issue you have with your PC. (E.g if i want to use Kaby Lake CPU with my Z170 chipset MoBo, i need to update my MoBo BIOS.) If there are no issues, there is no reason, what-so-ever, to update BIOS. Just because you "can" update BIOS doesn't mean that you "have to". Or in other words: "If it ain't broke - don't fix it."
Most MoBos never get their BIOS updated and work fine until they are obsolete (e.g i'm running my MoBo with vanilla BIOS for the past 9 years now). Also, do note that when BIOS update would be interrupted for whatever reason (e.g power loss), MoBo
will be bricked
since PC won't run when MoBo has corrupt BIOS. And only fix is MoBo replacement. If lucky, one can roll back the BIOS update, if MoBo has that feature. Or use 2nd BIOS when MoBo has dual-BIOS feature. But these two redundancy features are rare and only found on high-end, very expensive MoBos.

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ForeTheManGG
Member
189
05-14-2021, 09:09 AM
#15
The average user lacks full knowledge of what is required.
These items typically don’t include firmware updates.
Normal users won’t need to think about this.
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ForeTheManGG
05-14-2021, 09:09 AM #15

The average user lacks full knowledge of what is required.
These items typically don’t include firmware updates.
Normal users won’t need to think about this.

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flamex123456
Member
227
05-15-2021, 07:25 AM
#16
Reflect on the setup from six years prior: the BIOS was up-to-date, motherboard drivers were sourced directly from the vendor, and services were configured to align with both drivers and BIOS. Over time, no BIOS updates were made, yet custom drivers continued to function smoothly alongside the existing BIOS setup. Microsoft addressed compatibility gaps by deploying CPU microcode patches, which improved performance until certain hardware specifications evolved, such as changes in power management sleep modes.

Recently, the system was reset and Windows reinstalled. Since no custom motherboard drivers were present, Microsoft applied standard generic drivers instead. During this phase, the BIOS remained unchanged, and only generic services were active. Some CPU-specific microcode patches from a generic Windows CPU DLL were included. This configuration could function adequately, but issues may arise if a particular subsystem encounters problems—then you would need to install the corresponding motherboard driver and update the BIOS accordingly.

Updating both the BIOS and motherboard drivers together tends to yield better results, particularly after a system reset. I also note that firmware updates are frequently neglected. Many users face complications when service software is updated but the firmware isn’t, leading to stack overflows and other bugs. For instance, software-controlled LED devices—like certain mouse drivers—can interfere with the kernel heap, causing crashes in other components.

Refer to examples of programs that conflict with Corsair ICUE for more insight: [link]. Even without updating the BIOS, adjusting settings and rebuilding the database after a reset can resolve persistent issues. If you skip the BIOS update, it’s advisable to disable unused hardware devices, such as older motherboard audio modules from the Microsoft catalog. These may trigger conflicts, especially with GPUs supporting HDMI, where buffer overflows occurred on devices like real Tek motherboards after seven years of use. Most users attributed crashes to driver conflicts rather than the driver itself.

Currently, many audio headsets require firmware updates due to sleep-related malfunctions and the need for devices to wake themselves up, which in turn forces Windows to wake the hub—creating a cycle that can disrupt system stability.
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flamex123456
05-15-2021, 07:25 AM #16

Reflect on the setup from six years prior: the BIOS was up-to-date, motherboard drivers were sourced directly from the vendor, and services were configured to align with both drivers and BIOS. Over time, no BIOS updates were made, yet custom drivers continued to function smoothly alongside the existing BIOS setup. Microsoft addressed compatibility gaps by deploying CPU microcode patches, which improved performance until certain hardware specifications evolved, such as changes in power management sleep modes.

Recently, the system was reset and Windows reinstalled. Since no custom motherboard drivers were present, Microsoft applied standard generic drivers instead. During this phase, the BIOS remained unchanged, and only generic services were active. Some CPU-specific microcode patches from a generic Windows CPU DLL were included. This configuration could function adequately, but issues may arise if a particular subsystem encounters problems—then you would need to install the corresponding motherboard driver and update the BIOS accordingly.

Updating both the BIOS and motherboard drivers together tends to yield better results, particularly after a system reset. I also note that firmware updates are frequently neglected. Many users face complications when service software is updated but the firmware isn’t, leading to stack overflows and other bugs. For instance, software-controlled LED devices—like certain mouse drivers—can interfere with the kernel heap, causing crashes in other components.

Refer to examples of programs that conflict with Corsair ICUE for more insight: [link]. Even without updating the BIOS, adjusting settings and rebuilding the database after a reset can resolve persistent issues. If you skip the BIOS update, it’s advisable to disable unused hardware devices, such as older motherboard audio modules from the Microsoft catalog. These may trigger conflicts, especially with GPUs supporting HDMI, where buffer overflows occurred on devices like real Tek motherboards after seven years of use. Most users attributed crashes to driver conflicts rather than the driver itself.

Currently, many audio headsets require firmware updates due to sleep-related malfunctions and the need for devices to wake themselves up, which in turn forces Windows to wake the hub—creating a cycle that can disrupt system stability.

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neptunes_ra9e
Junior Member
13
05-15-2021, 08:42 AM
#17
This would only apply when person doesn't install MoBo drivers 2nd time around.
I see no reason why not to install MoBo drivers after clean Win install. Or GPU drivers in that matter. Drivers are still installed after Win install.
MoBo manufacturers do not remove old patches from newer MoBo driver versions. Since otherwise, that means MoBo manufacturers are relying on people to update BIOS as well. But MoBo manufacturers can not rely on that. Newest MoBo drivers still contain all previous patches the drivers had. Just like GPU drivers are (or any other hardware drivers in that matter).
Heck, any hardware that has firmware, which can be updated via their specific dedicated program (e.g Samsung SSDs via Samsung Magician or Corsair KBs via Corsair iCUE) - none of those brands are removing old driver patches from the software and are including them to the hardware firmware.
None of the MoBo drivers one can install, has specific BIOS version requirement. All MoBo drivers can be installed to any version of BIOS that MoBo has. Just like it is with GPU drivers. It doesn't matter which version BIOS GPU has, GPU drivers still work.
Here's an example; my MoBo BIOS versions,
link:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z170A-GA...pport#bios
The newest BIOS i can get, is from 2018. That's 7 years old.
Are you saying that if i were to wipe my system and install Win anew, my system should not work at all? Just because my BIOS is 7 years old and isn't compatible to the latest Windows updates?
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neptunes_ra9e
05-15-2021, 08:42 AM #17

This would only apply when person doesn't install MoBo drivers 2nd time around.
I see no reason why not to install MoBo drivers after clean Win install. Or GPU drivers in that matter. Drivers are still installed after Win install.
MoBo manufacturers do not remove old patches from newer MoBo driver versions. Since otherwise, that means MoBo manufacturers are relying on people to update BIOS as well. But MoBo manufacturers can not rely on that. Newest MoBo drivers still contain all previous patches the drivers had. Just like GPU drivers are (or any other hardware drivers in that matter).
Heck, any hardware that has firmware, which can be updated via their specific dedicated program (e.g Samsung SSDs via Samsung Magician or Corsair KBs via Corsair iCUE) - none of those brands are removing old driver patches from the software and are including them to the hardware firmware.
None of the MoBo drivers one can install, has specific BIOS version requirement. All MoBo drivers can be installed to any version of BIOS that MoBo has. Just like it is with GPU drivers. It doesn't matter which version BIOS GPU has, GPU drivers still work.
Here's an example; my MoBo BIOS versions,
link:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z170A-GA...pport#bios
The newest BIOS i can get, is from 2018. That's 7 years old.
Are you saying that if i were to wipe my system and install Win anew, my system should not work at all? Just because my BIOS is 7 years old and isn't compatible to the latest Windows updates?

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_Hundred
Member
51
05-31-2021, 10:52 AM
#18
Just examine your machine; the motherboard was released in 2015. Review all BIOS fixes until the manufacturer ceased updates: (13) BIOS updates. Most would not impact a functioning system if it was already stable. What I’m emphasizing is that for optimal results, you should update the BIOS, drivers, and firmware.

Windows now supports automatic BIOS updates and offers a firmware upgrade system compatible with Windows updates. (You’re right—many users skip firmware/bios updates, preferring a new device every three years instead.)

Most individuals would only notice USB 2.0 sleep issues and might attribute them to a Windows bug. Standard USB drivers for Windows may not resolve this problem; you’d need to disable the sleep function for the device if your BIOS isn’t updated.

Regarding the BIOS fix for:
Improve USB 2.0 device functionality after resuming from S3 mode, check another machine’s bios issues:
When USB and Audio controller are turned off, the system fails to operate correctly.
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_Hundred
05-31-2021, 10:52 AM #18

Just examine your machine; the motherboard was released in 2015. Review all BIOS fixes until the manufacturer ceased updates: (13) BIOS updates. Most would not impact a functioning system if it was already stable. What I’m emphasizing is that for optimal results, you should update the BIOS, drivers, and firmware.

Windows now supports automatic BIOS updates and offers a firmware upgrade system compatible with Windows updates. (You’re right—many users skip firmware/bios updates, preferring a new device every three years instead.)

Most individuals would only notice USB 2.0 sleep issues and might attribute them to a Windows bug. Standard USB drivers for Windows may not resolve this problem; you’d need to disable the sleep function for the device if your BIOS isn’t updated.

Regarding the BIOS fix for:
Improve USB 2.0 device functionality after resuming from S3 mode, check another machine’s bios issues:
When USB and Audio controller are turned off, the system fails to operate correctly.

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Acke_G
Junior Member
6
05-31-2021, 03:50 PM
#19
Hey guys...we're moving beyond what the original request was about.
A complete BIOS update might be necessary.
Occasionally it is.
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Acke_G
05-31-2021, 03:50 PM #19

Hey guys...we're moving beyond what the original request was about.
A complete BIOS update might be necessary.
Occasionally it is.

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