Building AdviceFirst over the past 15 years requires a critical review.
Building AdviceFirst over the past 15 years requires a critical review.
Hello everyone!
I’m about to start my very first build after 15 years.
Children are growing up and are looking for more robust game-proof systems.
Please give feedback and share your suggestions for my selections.
My main picks now are:
1) ASUS ROG STRIX B760-F GAMING WIFI - EUR 244.00
2) Intel Core i5-13400 Processor 20 MB Smart Cache Box - EUR 220.00
3) WD_BLACK 1TB SN770 M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 NVMe Gaming SSD up to 5150 MB/s Read Speed - EUR 48.00
4) Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 64GB (2x32GB) 5200MHz CL40 Intel XMP iCUE Compatible Computer Memory - Black (CMK64GX5M2B5200C40) - EUR 180.00 (future proof)
5) PSU Gigabyte AORUS P850W 850W (GP-AP850GM) - EUR 126.00
6) Case Corsair 4000D Airflow Black (CC-9011200-WW) - EUR 99.00
7) CPU Cooler Gigabyte AORUS ATC800 RGB Sync 120mm (GP-ATC800) - EUR 106.00
8) GPU Gigabyte VGA GBT RTX4070 12GB Eagle OC - EUR 659.00
9) Gaming Monitor Dell G3223Q 32-inch 4K (G3223Q) - EUR 780.00
Kids have been using 27' 4K monitors for years for school and browsing, but at 60Hz it’s clearly not ideal for gaming;
10) Internal HDD Seagate Barracuda 4TB SATA III 3.5-inch (ST4000DM004) - EUR 73.00.
Will this setup support 1080p at 144Hz or even 2K at 144Hz?
These are the current specs for testing new hardware and my own performance. I’ll need to complete two more builds for other users, keeping the same budget in mind.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
When evaluating the hierarchy of components, I’d consider advancing up the food chain slightly for the CPU selection. A viable option could be starting with an i5 and potentially transitioning to a 14th generation model later if it shows potential.
I find the VRM design on that B series board quite solid. Even without overclocking intentions, a K series unit would perform well in that setup.
I understand, would revert memory back to 32GB and integrate it into the CPU. Also, consider the extremely expensive CPU cooler options, or explore more affordable RGB CPU air coolers. The RTX4070 offers poor value for money. The RX6800 is a better choice unless you’re not using ray-tracing. For ray-tracing, aim for stronger GPU performance. AMD plans to release the RX7800 soon, but they’re focusing on maintaining sales of the 7900XT and 7900XTX models. Upgrading to a bigger SSD is recommended, possibly replacing the hard drive with more NVMe storage or even an SATA SSD. Regarding the CPU cooler, it’s straightforward—opt for a model from Thermalright and pair it with an RGB fan kit for the entire setup.
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Prozessor:
Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Kern Prozessor
(€337.89 bei notebooksbilliger.de)
CPU-Kühler:
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66,17 CFM Kühler
(€58.63 bei Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard:
Asus ROG STRIX B760-F GAMING WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
(€243.99 bei Amazon Deutschland)
Speicher:
Corsair Vengeance RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Speicher
(€119.89 bei Amazon Deutschland)
Speicher:
Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Festplatte
(€97.17 bei Computeruniverse)
Speicher:
Samsung 870 Evo 4 TB 2,5" Festplatte
(€207.99 bei Amazon Deutschland)
Grafikkarte:
Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Grafikkarte
(€517.49 bei Amazon Deutschland)
Hülle:
Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Hülle
(€88.69 bei Amazon Deutschland)
Leistungsversorgung:
Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Zertifiziert Vollmodulare ATX Stromversorgung
(€130.76 bei Amazon Deutschland)
Fan:
Corsair iCUE AF120 RGB ELITE 65,57 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack
(€80.43 bei Amazon Deutschland)
Gesamt:
€1882.93
Preise beinhalten Versand, Steuern und Rabatte bei Vorliebe
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2023-07-20 16:10 CEST+0200
Thank you for your advice!
In my region (Cyprus) it's quite challenging to purchase quality PC components, and shipping costs are high (for example, on amazon.de). I have a decision between 130 euros for 32GB versus 180 euros for 64GB. With a 38% increase, I end up with double the performance.
I think I should verify RAM compatibility with the motherboard manufacturer at https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-st...k_qvl_cpu/. Alternatively, I could pick any DDR5 model even if it's not listed as compatible. Please let me know your recommendation.
Thanks for the idea!
In my first build I didn’t plan to change anything, but for the second one I’m thinking about using an Asus Rog Strix Z790-H motherboard.
Here are the suggestions reworded while keeping the original meaning and tone, and maintaining the same structure and length:
The feedback is appreciated!
Regarding the CPU: I don’t intend to upgrade, so perhaps there’s no need to purchase the K series.
Concerning the CPU cooler: my main worry was the size of the cooler. Based on what I understand, the Gigabyte AORUS ATC800 RGB Sync 120mm (GP-ATC800) accommodates up to 43 mm of memory heatsink height (https://www.gigabyte.com/CPU-Cooler/ATC800#kf). Considering shipping costs and delivery time to Cyprus, I opted for a more conservative choice—just to ensure compatibility. If anything doesn’t work, I’ll have to face the consequences.
I didn’t find any information about the Memory heatsink height for the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU cooler on their official site (http://thermalright.com/product/peerless...0-se-argb/).
For memory: I’m looking at Corsair Vengeance RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 RAM. Because of the memory heatsink height limit (up to 43 mm), I decided against it. It won’t fit, even if I stick with my main choice, the Gigabyte AORUS ATC800 RGB Sync 120mm.
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVMe SSD is likely to be 2TB. From friends and reviews, I know 2TB usually lasts longer than 1TB.
Regarding the video card: I have some concerns about AMD GPUs. Since this is my first build in about 15 years, I prefer sticking with Nvidia, aiming for around 80% of their share compared to 20% from AMD. For future builds and other configurations, I’ll experiment. If I switch from the RTX 4070 to the RTX 4080, should I make any changes to the build? For example, upgrading to a more powerful PSU from 850W to 1000W?
Power supply: Is Corsair an improvement over Gigabyte? The prices are similar, but Gigabyte claims its capacitors are 100% Japanese. Could Corsair offer more connectors?
Case fan: Good idea. I’ll consider it.
So, the biggest challenge is ensuring the CPU cooler fits the RAM. Thanks!
850W provides ample power for a 4080 model.
Gigabyte is still emerging in the PSU sector and has recently released a series with faulty overcurrent protection. Corsair has been producing PSUs for a long time, and their RM series stands out for its quality, though it doesn’t quite match the RMx line. It’s wise to compare warranty durations rather than focusing solely on Japanese capacitors. They continue to do so because, about 15 years ago, cheap Chinese capacitors were dominating the market. Since then, quality has improved significantly and these components are no longer as problematic. Also, PCBs have shifted away from electrolytic capacitors, which are now mainly used in audio and PSU applications.
The RM850e comes with the updated 12VHPWR connector that Nvidia uses in the 40 series, which is a plus. It only requires one power input to the GPU instead of multiple 8-pin connections to an adapter.
If you aim to completely eliminate memory interference:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/wjmL...er-nh-u12s
This cooler is positioned to allow full slot height, offering a solid cooling solution. A nice fan with a decent design, though RGB options are still possible if you prefer.
G.Skill Trident Z offers a compact, low-profile RGB memory option with many customization choices.
Alternatively, opt for a larger cooler and skip RGB entirely, using a straightforward Corsair LPX or similar low-profile unit, and cover the memory with a powerful RGB fan.
The choice of AMD is justified because it delivers a more capable GPU in terms of rasterization, offering 16GB of VRAM instead of the standard 12GB. Current titles support more than 12GB of VRAM, and this number is expected to rise further. You can still manage settings to prevent overclocking, but you’ll likely need to replace the GPU sooner than usual.
The 4080 remains a budget option at its price point, though it’s also less efficient in terms of power consumption. The 7900XT and 7900XTX models provide better performance and are worth considering. Options with 20GB or 24GB VRAM are available as well.
If you plan to build multiple units, feel free to experiment—RX7800 is likely the most cost-effective choice when it launches.
You can proceed as planned.
My considerations: 13400 is a solid and sensible CPU choice.
I’d begin with a 2tb m.2 SSD. Game files are becoming larger.
Avoid obsessing over top-tier sequential SSD tests.
Most operations involve small random I/O.
These units seem unable to distinguish between them:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA
Skip the hard drive. If you ever require more space, a SSD upgrade will likely be more affordable.
The case is acceptable. An 180mm model can accommodate the tallest air coolers.
For improved ventilation, add two 140mm front fans.
140mm units move air more efficiently and quietly.
Unless your application demands full RAM usage, 32gb is sufficient.
There’s no point in trying to future-proof computers.
In two years, DDR6 will be on the market, and DDR7 is expected soon.
It turns out that right now, DDR5 and DDR4 are about the same, while DDR4 parts remain more affordable.
An 850w power supply is a reasonable size.
Over time, a graphics card upgrade will likely become the most noticeable change.
You’ll notice that a 950w unit doesn’t significantly increase cost.
I prefer Corsair RMx power supplies and Seasonic focus/prime units, both backed by 10-year warranties.
Vengeance RAM height is approximately 49mm.
Corsair LX15 is 32mm.
You can use either with a Noctua NH-D15s:
NH-D15S
Designed to deliver top-tier RAM and PCIe compatibility, the NH-D15S offers an asymmetrical single-fan version of Noctua’s award-winning flagship, the NH-D15. Its unique design allows it to occupy the top PCIe slot on most µATX and ATX boards. At the same time, the single...
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Cheaper coolers exist, but none are truly superior.