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MineArqueiro
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05-15-2016, 10:30 AM
#11
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MineArqueiro
05-15-2016, 10:30 AM #11

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Milkcow289
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05-15-2016, 06:53 PM
#12
A chipset communicates with the motherboard about handling the CPU. It determines which CPUs work with which boards. Some CPUs can't fit on certain motherboards.
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Milkcow289
05-15-2016, 06:53 PM #12

A chipset communicates with the motherboard about handling the CPU. It determines which CPUs work with which boards. Some CPUs can't fit on certain motherboards.

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HellNether
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05-23-2016, 01:01 AM
#13
I believed it was clear to you; perhaps I can rephrase a bit. Would it be better to invest in a USB + SATA controller from Realtek rather than purchasing an expensive AMD chipset, especially when a PCI-E add-in card is available?
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HellNether
05-23-2016, 01:01 AM #13

I believed it was clear to you; perhaps I can rephrase a bit. Would it be better to invest in a USB + SATA controller from Realtek rather than purchasing an expensive AMD chipset, especially when a PCI-E add-in card is available?

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m4xesh3pard
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05-23-2016, 02:58 AM
#14
Chipsets handle functions beyond input/output management. The exact capabilities remain unclear.
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m4xesh3pard
05-23-2016, 02:58 AM #14

Chipsets handle functions beyond input/output management. The exact capabilities remain unclear.

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Browen1000
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06-07-2016, 06:52 AM
#15
Yeah, thats kinda the idea. What else the chipset does. This post on Anadtech discuss the X300/AB300 boards more broadly and this question: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/am4...c.2537981/ And i keep asking myself, why add a chipset to a ITX board? I don't really know if AB300/X300 boards do actually have a chipset (or some resemblance to a one), but for what i can find there's no bifurcation, its a "dummy" chip if there is any. All IO comes from the CPU and for a SFF board, that makes a lot of sense. Why those boards gone missing? Why nobody heard of them? Why you need a X570 on a ITX board? Of couse, i'm talking strictly about SFF boards, chipsets do make sense for bigger boards because you cannot have that much IO leaving the CPU.
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Browen1000
06-07-2016, 06:52 AM #15

Yeah, thats kinda the idea. What else the chipset does. This post on Anadtech discuss the X300/AB300 boards more broadly and this question: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/am4...c.2537981/ And i keep asking myself, why add a chipset to a ITX board? I don't really know if AB300/X300 boards do actually have a chipset (or some resemblance to a one), but for what i can find there's no bifurcation, its a "dummy" chip if there is any. All IO comes from the CPU and for a SFF board, that makes a lot of sense. Why those boards gone missing? Why nobody heard of them? Why you need a X570 on a ITX board? Of couse, i'm talking strictly about SFF boards, chipsets do make sense for bigger boards because you cannot have that much IO leaving the CPU.

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Itay22
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06-07-2016, 07:11 AM
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The situation seems unclear, especially regarding AMD's stance. It appears some unofficial A320 boards support 3gen and OC, which might indicate a lack of official compatibility details. This could suggest AMD is cautious about chipset features, possibly to avoid confusing high-end and low-end markets. There might be an effort to separate premium boards from basic ones, preventing lower-end manufacturers from selling incompatible CPUs for different power configurations.
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Itay22
06-07-2016, 07:11 AM #16

The situation seems unclear, especially regarding AMD's stance. It appears some unofficial A320 boards support 3gen and OC, which might indicate a lack of official compatibility details. This could suggest AMD is cautious about chipset features, possibly to avoid confusing high-end and low-end markets. There might be an effort to separate premium boards from basic ones, preventing lower-end manufacturers from selling incompatible CPUs for different power configurations.

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pooh_bear6
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06-07-2016, 12:13 PM
#17
This argument holds strength if the CPU maker also designed the chipset itself. If their focus is on the overall system performance, embedding functionality like memory controller and SATA directly into the CPU makes sense. They likely embed these components to streamline design and potentially boost margins. The idea that they’d only do this for profit isn’t surprising, but it raises questions about whether chipset profitability truly outweighs the drawbacks of smaller form factors. High-end builds tend toward ATX, while budget builds often use MATX, which has limited I/O. That’s why I wrote this post—exploring the reasoning behind it. It seems like a thought experiment; maybe there’s more to the story than just manufacturers maximizing profits.
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pooh_bear6
06-07-2016, 12:13 PM #17

This argument holds strength if the CPU maker also designed the chipset itself. If their focus is on the overall system performance, embedding functionality like memory controller and SATA directly into the CPU makes sense. They likely embed these components to streamline design and potentially boost margins. The idea that they’d only do this for profit isn’t surprising, but it raises questions about whether chipset profitability truly outweighs the drawbacks of smaller form factors. High-end builds tend toward ATX, while budget builds often use MATX, which has limited I/O. That’s why I wrote this post—exploring the reasoning behind it. It seems like a thought experiment; maybe there’s more to the story than just manufacturers maximizing profits.

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06-16-2016, 05:05 PM
#18
Unrealistic though it sounds, we’re not eager to alter anything. My UEFI BIOS still allows floppy booting, and we still have the scroll lock feature.
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SUPERSPIDERBOB
06-16-2016, 05:05 PM #18

Unrealistic though it sounds, we’re not eager to alter anything. My UEFI BIOS still allows floppy booting, and we still have the scroll lock feature.

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ninja__girl
Junior Member
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07-08-2016, 04:50 AM
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It seems you're picking up on a trend in modern AMD systems. Research shows that some boards, like the X300, can function without a traditional chipset. An "activator chip" named Knoll handles initialization, and the system relies on the SoC for most operations. This setup uses minimal power and suggests that many ITX or mATX boards might be designed this way for cost reasons. More details are available in the forum discussion you linked.
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ninja__girl
07-08-2016, 04:50 AM #19

It seems you're picking up on a trend in modern AMD systems. Research shows that some boards, like the X300, can function without a traditional chipset. An "activator chip" named Knoll handles initialization, and the system relies on the SoC for most operations. This setup uses minimal power and suggests that many ITX or mATX boards might be designed this way for cost reasons. More details are available in the forum discussion you linked.

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