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ARM-powered Macs and the evolution of bootcamp, hackintosh, and similar trends

ARM-powered Macs and the evolution of bootcamp, hackintosh, and similar trends

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LOL0
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02-23-2020, 03:29 PM
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So I’m a software engineer who relies on Mac OS every day for the last three years. I’ve also tried Linux, but Mac felt smoother—fewer hiccups, no crashes, and better compatibility with software. When Apple rolled out their new 16" Pro with a solid GPU for mobile gaming, I switched from my 15" Pro to it. It’s a powerful machine, perfect for those who work on Mac but want to play games too. At least until now... Booting up was straightforward, but after hearing about Windows performance on ARM and most games built for x86, I started wondering if bootcamp is really gone. What do you think? Any insights from someone familiar with hardware or virtualization?
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LOL0
02-23-2020, 03:29 PM #1

So I’m a software engineer who relies on Mac OS every day for the last three years. I’ve also tried Linux, but Mac felt smoother—fewer hiccups, no crashes, and better compatibility with software. When Apple rolled out their new 16" Pro with a solid GPU for mobile gaming, I switched from my 15" Pro to it. It’s a powerful machine, perfect for those who work on Mac but want to play games too. At least until now... Booting up was straightforward, but after hearing about Windows performance on ARM and most games built for x86, I started wondering if bootcamp is really gone. What do you think? Any insights from someone familiar with hardware or virtualization?

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ShadowbrineFTW
Junior Member
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02-24-2020, 06:25 PM
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Apple seems determined to tackle Hackintosh, but ultimately they’ll face consequences. The modding scene will likely embrace this challenge with determination and humor.
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ShadowbrineFTW
02-24-2020, 06:25 PM #2

Apple seems determined to tackle Hackintosh, but ultimately they’ll face consequences. The modding scene will likely embrace this challenge with determination and humor.

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DayZFox
Junior Member
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02-26-2020, 01:21 AM
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Hackintosh remains completely unnoticed in their focus. The goal is to cut costs and simplify both hardware and software creation.
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DayZFox
02-26-2020, 01:21 AM #3

Hackintosh remains completely unnoticed in their focus. The goal is to cut costs and simplify both hardware and software creation.

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iDerpyYT
Junior Member
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02-29-2020, 02:16 AM
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I’m more concerned about the bootcamp since the newest 16-inch model is actually quite powerful for gaming. But if they switch their CPU or GPU to ARM, that could really change things.
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iDerpyYT
02-29-2020, 02:16 AM #4

I’m more concerned about the bootcamp since the newest 16-inch model is actually quite powerful for gaming. But if they switch their CPU or GPU to ARM, that could really change things.

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kousgoose
Member
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03-04-2020, 10:37 AM
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The performance issues with Windows on ARM likely stem from a lack of optimization efforts for ARM-based apps. Although Adobe is focusing on improving their apps for these architectures, there’s limited additional information beyond the statement "We're working on it." It seems Apple may be reaching out to third-party developers to rewrite their applications. I’m hopeful that Apple Silicon will deliver better results. Regarding Hackintoshes, as noted by TempestCatto, it appears Apple is intentionally restricting access. The modding community is confident they’ll discover alternative solutions.
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kousgoose
03-04-2020, 10:37 AM #5

The performance issues with Windows on ARM likely stem from a lack of optimization efforts for ARM-based apps. Although Adobe is focusing on improving their apps for these architectures, there’s limited additional information beyond the statement "We're working on it." It seems Apple may be reaching out to third-party developers to rewrite their applications. I’m hopeful that Apple Silicon will deliver better results. Regarding Hackintoshes, as noted by TempestCatto, it appears Apple is intentionally restricting access. The modding community is confident they’ll discover alternative solutions.

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Poysnn
Junior Member
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03-04-2020, 02:37 PM
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bootcamp isn't compatible with Apple Silicon Macs unless Microsoft makes Windows 10 available for them. Otherwise, it's unlikely to succeed. The safest option would be to emulate. I doubt Apple will remove bootcamp support for Intel-based Macs, even if they do, so you could still try installing Windows normally.
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Poysnn
03-04-2020, 02:37 PM #6

bootcamp isn't compatible with Apple Silicon Macs unless Microsoft makes Windows 10 available for them. Otherwise, it's unlikely to succeed. The safest option would be to emulate. I doubt Apple will remove bootcamp support for Intel-based Macs, even if they do, so you could still try installing Windows normally.

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jamie2k
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03-04-2020, 09:34 PM
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The situation with Mac using ARM and Windows/Bootcamp is clear. Apple hasn’t announced any support for Bootcamp on ARM chips. They’re focusing on running Windows only via virtualization. While Windows does have an ARM variant, its licensing is restricted to original equipment manufacturers (OEMs), which Apple won’t provide. You can’t install x64 Windows on an ARM device outside a VM, and even then it will suffer significant performance loss.
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jamie2k
03-04-2020, 09:34 PM #7

The situation with Mac using ARM and Windows/Bootcamp is clear. Apple hasn’t announced any support for Bootcamp on ARM chips. They’re focusing on running Windows only via virtualization. While Windows does have an ARM variant, its licensing is restricted to original equipment manufacturers (OEMs), which Apple won’t provide. You can’t install x64 Windows on an ARM device outside a VM, and even then it will suffer significant performance loss.

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DangoBravo
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03-06-2020, 02:55 PM
#8
Wow, gaming on a Mac seems really tough with these new systems, huh? Maybe it's worth considering Linux for work instead. It looks like things have improved a bit over the last few years.
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DangoBravo
03-06-2020, 02:55 PM #8

Wow, gaming on a Mac seems really tough with these new systems, huh? Maybe it's worth considering Linux for work instead. It looks like things have improved a bit over the last few years.

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samigurl0903
Senior Member
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03-06-2020, 09:31 PM
#9
In short, yes. Either the developers have to make changes for MacOS, or playing on Mac is nearly unfeasible.
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samigurl0903
03-06-2020, 09:31 PM #9

In short, yes. Either the developers have to make changes for MacOS, or playing on Mac is nearly unfeasible.