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A new development expected from gaming firms

A new development expected from gaming firms

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myzery
Junior Member
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10-01-2023, 12:11 PM
#11
Except for purchases from third parties that obtained their keys improperly, you aren't a GGG customer. GGG is the sole legitimate source because they are the developer and publisher. They can sell keys through other companies like Valve or Steam, but it usually costs the same or more since Valve keeps its share. Since everything is digital, they don’t need a physical storefront to reach customers. If you see a key for an unusually low price on another site, something seems wrong. Why would they sell a key for less than the cost of acquiring it from GGG? It’s likely they didn’t make any profit from that transaction. From their side, they simply remove the key they deemed illegitimate, and you have no obligation to their game if their system rejects your license. They didn’t gain anything from the sale, weren’t part of the deal, and any further action depends on who sold the key to them. If they frequently removed valid copies, that would be another issue.
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myzery
10-01-2023, 12:11 PM #11

Except for purchases from third parties that obtained their keys improperly, you aren't a GGG customer. GGG is the sole legitimate source because they are the developer and publisher. They can sell keys through other companies like Valve or Steam, but it usually costs the same or more since Valve keeps its share. Since everything is digital, they don’t need a physical storefront to reach customers. If you see a key for an unusually low price on another site, something seems wrong. Why would they sell a key for less than the cost of acquiring it from GGG? It’s likely they didn’t make any profit from that transaction. From their side, they simply remove the key they deemed illegitimate, and you have no obligation to their game if their system rejects your license. They didn’t gain anything from the sale, weren’t part of the deal, and any further action depends on who sold the key to them. If they frequently removed valid copies, that would be another issue.

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Vector_VIP
Junior Member
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10-03-2023, 01:38 AM
#12
It's a crucial item from the grey market for early entry, and users express frustration. The same applies to Windows keys from certain questionable websites that some people try to sell. These keys function but were acquired in dubious ways, and if they're taken away unexpectedly, no one provides support.
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Vector_VIP
10-03-2023, 01:38 AM #12

It's a crucial item from the grey market for early entry, and users express frustration. The same applies to Windows keys from certain questionable websites that some people try to sell. These keys function but were acquired in dubious ways, and if they're taken away unexpectedly, no one provides support.

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AngelOfRuin36
Member
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10-03-2023, 05:47 AM
#13
I completely disagree. I understand the response, but only if the earlier post is accurate. I just want the company to clarify... so I could return to my reseller. It’s not G2A. Why is this so frustrating? Since I shared the issue, it’s mainly about what we don’t own and who can claim or take our belongings. If you’re ready for a discussion, I’m open. But if you just want to dislike me, I’ll stop replying.
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AngelOfRuin36
10-03-2023, 05:47 AM #13

I completely disagree. I understand the response, but only if the earlier post is accurate. I just want the company to clarify... so I could return to my reseller. It’s not G2A. Why is this so frustrating? Since I shared the issue, it’s mainly about what we don’t own and who can claim or take our belongings. If you’re ready for a discussion, I’m open. But if you just want to dislike me, I’ll stop replying.

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zMadeus
Posting Freak
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10-03-2023, 01:15 PM
#14
This situation involves both the scammer and the developers equally. Blaming the developers unfairly is misguided. They are free to cancel any invalid licenses without obligation to inform you. If you have concerns, you must present your own reasoning instead of simply asking them to reach out. Just like with any purchase, focus on the seller or platform you used rather than the developer. I'm not trying to be negative; I'm cautioning against misunderstandings. Many people in this discussion quickly realized the deal involved a grey-market key, not a legitimate one. I explained how these arrangements work, and most here have experienced similar confusion before. Since you're still seeking feedback from the developer, I feel justified in pointing the finger at the reseller and platform, not the developer themselves. Ownership of items isn't surprising—services like Steam and others generally allow licenses to be revoked for various reasons.
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zMadeus
10-03-2023, 01:15 PM #14

This situation involves both the scammer and the developers equally. Blaming the developers unfairly is misguided. They are free to cancel any invalid licenses without obligation to inform you. If you have concerns, you must present your own reasoning instead of simply asking them to reach out. Just like with any purchase, focus on the seller or platform you used rather than the developer. I'm not trying to be negative; I'm cautioning against misunderstandings. Many people in this discussion quickly realized the deal involved a grey-market key, not a legitimate one. I explained how these arrangements work, and most here have experienced similar confusion before. Since you're still seeking feedback from the developer, I feel justified in pointing the finger at the reseller and platform, not the developer themselves. Ownership of items isn't surprising—services like Steam and others generally allow licenses to be revoked for various reasons.

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axsthetiic
Member
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10-03-2023, 03:01 PM
#15
Thanks for the update. It’s clear you’ve been through this before, so I understand. The main challenge remains our differing perspectives. If I accept that this is indeed a scam, then I’m in agreement. Coming from a background where people are judged based on evidence, I believe it’s important for anyone claiming something to provide proof. In my culture, we expect justification before any action—like demanding reasons before someone removes my license.

This contrasts with how things work elsewhere, especially since we recognize that some platforms have flaws and should still exist if they offer legitimate services. We also see other sites where private data is handled openly, and we believe they should remain open because they provide benefits.

I think it’s important to address this difference in our approach, especially online. I’m learning more about how varied these views are globally, and I’ll need to adapt my perspective accordingly. This isn’t about blame—it’s about understanding and navigating diverse expectations.
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axsthetiic
10-03-2023, 03:01 PM #15

Thanks for the update. It’s clear you’ve been through this before, so I understand. The main challenge remains our differing perspectives. If I accept that this is indeed a scam, then I’m in agreement. Coming from a background where people are judged based on evidence, I believe it’s important for anyone claiming something to provide proof. In my culture, we expect justification before any action—like demanding reasons before someone removes my license.

This contrasts with how things work elsewhere, especially since we recognize that some platforms have flaws and should still exist if they offer legitimate services. We also see other sites where private data is handled openly, and we believe they should remain open because they provide benefits.

I think it’s important to address this difference in our approach, especially online. I’m learning more about how varied these views are globally, and I’ll need to adapt my perspective accordingly. This isn’t about blame—it’s about understanding and navigating diverse expectations.

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_Maroussia_
Junior Member
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10-05-2023, 11:25 PM
#16
I purchased numerous games from "cheap third party" and never received any revocation—something feels wrong. It seems the publishers or developers might be deceiving customers with vague messages like "oh you bought third party, too bad..." There’s a pattern here that doesn’t add up. @Avocado Diaboli shared similar concerns; do you have proof or just trust their word? Also, most internet myths are incorrect, and the idea of "third party stealing credit cards" is just an overused excuse. It might happen, but it’s unlikely to be the main issue here—it’s probably a convenient way for publishers to shift blame onto the third-party side.
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_Maroussia_
10-05-2023, 11:25 PM #16

I purchased numerous games from "cheap third party" and never received any revocation—something feels wrong. It seems the publishers or developers might be deceiving customers with vague messages like "oh you bought third party, too bad..." There’s a pattern here that doesn’t add up. @Avocado Diaboli shared similar concerns; do you have proof or just trust their word? Also, most internet myths are incorrect, and the idea of "third party stealing credit cards" is just an overused excuse. It might happen, but it’s unlikely to be the main issue here—it’s probably a convenient way for publishers to shift blame onto the third-party side.

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Farcowz
Junior Member
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10-11-2023, 11:36 AM
#17
They might not have noticed it before, yet now it’s clear. It seems unusual, but from a technical standpoint it’s possible. Legally, there’s no strict rule about this, so enforcement isn’t required.
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Farcowz
10-11-2023, 11:36 AM #17

They might not have noticed it before, yet now it’s clear. It seems unusual, but from a technical standpoint it’s possible. Legally, there’s no strict rule about this, so enforcement isn’t required.

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wahleno
Member
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10-11-2023, 12:34 PM
#18
GGG developed and released PoE2, making them the original source for every license or key. Unless someone reverse-engineered their activation method, third-party sellers like Valve must obtain licenses directly from them. If GGG sells keys for $30 each, finding one on another site for $10 suggests it likely came from bulk purchases. This would make sense if they were trying to minimize losses after the initial sales. It wouldn't happen so rapidly, and these keys don’t require physical storage like hardware. It’s possible a buyer purchased the game, disliked it, and attempted to resell the key—explaining the low price but not in large quantities.

The more probable scenario is that someone obtained stolen credit card information, bought numerous licenses, then sold them to generate profit. Once fraud is reported and transactions reversed, the thief could retain the funds. This method helps launder money from stolen cards.

For a long-running game, key reselling might occur more frequently, but this situation involves a newly released title in early access. It’s hard to believe GGG intentionally scammed people by placing keys on third-party platforms. More likely, criminals are exploiting stolen card details to turn them into cash.

Reverse engineering GGG’s key creation process could explain the authenticity of the keys, but the method used to acquire them is questionable. If authorities intervene, these keys might remain active until the investigation concludes.

Legally, innocent parties shouldn’t retain goods obtained through illegal means, even if they didn’t cause harm. Just as you wouldn’t keep a stolen car you bought without fault, you shouldn’t keep purchased keys acquired unlawfully.

If a judge notices such an unusually low price, it could lead to legal consequences for the seller. While unlikely for a modest game license, it’s technically possible.
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wahleno
10-11-2023, 12:34 PM #18

GGG developed and released PoE2, making them the original source for every license or key. Unless someone reverse-engineered their activation method, third-party sellers like Valve must obtain licenses directly from them. If GGG sells keys for $30 each, finding one on another site for $10 suggests it likely came from bulk purchases. This would make sense if they were trying to minimize losses after the initial sales. It wouldn't happen so rapidly, and these keys don’t require physical storage like hardware. It’s possible a buyer purchased the game, disliked it, and attempted to resell the key—explaining the low price but not in large quantities.

The more probable scenario is that someone obtained stolen credit card information, bought numerous licenses, then sold them to generate profit. Once fraud is reported and transactions reversed, the thief could retain the funds. This method helps launder money from stolen cards.

For a long-running game, key reselling might occur more frequently, but this situation involves a newly released title in early access. It’s hard to believe GGG intentionally scammed people by placing keys on third-party platforms. More likely, criminals are exploiting stolen card details to turn them into cash.

Reverse engineering GGG’s key creation process could explain the authenticity of the keys, but the method used to acquire them is questionable. If authorities intervene, these keys might remain active until the investigation concludes.

Legally, innocent parties shouldn’t retain goods obtained through illegal means, even if they didn’t cause harm. Just as you wouldn’t keep a stolen car you bought without fault, you shouldn’t keep purchased keys acquired unlawfully.

If a judge notices such an unusually low price, it could lead to legal consequences for the seller. While unlikely for a modest game license, it’s technically possible.

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RustyReplenish
Junior Member
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10-11-2023, 01:02 PM
#19
They can't simply dismiss the issue by saying "oh this key isn't valid" without clear justification. They should provide concrete proof or explain clearly what occurred. It's frustrating because the evidence they present doesn't hold up—like when they say "refunded..." or "charged back," which usually can't be done on resale platforms after a while. This is really disappointing.
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RustyReplenish
10-11-2023, 01:02 PM #19

They can't simply dismiss the issue by saying "oh this key isn't valid" without clear justification. They should provide concrete proof or explain clearly what occurred. It's frustrating because the evidence they present doesn't hold up—like when they say "refunded..." or "charged back," which usually can't be done on resale platforms after a while. This is really disappointing.

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CaptainMeeha
Member
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10-11-2023, 07:26 PM
#20
After a court ruling, random dev/publisher lacks legal authority to judge. TL;DR: They don’t have the legal basis for their actions.
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CaptainMeeha
10-11-2023, 07:26 PM #20

After a court ruling, random dev/publisher lacks legal authority to judge. TL;DR: They don’t have the legal basis for their actions.

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