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Windows 64-bit - 16-bit application is a native experience?

Windows 64-bit - 16-bit application is a native experience?

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Saudi54
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12-25-2016, 02:12 PM
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Has anyone heard when 16-bit application support was made standard in Windows 10 64-bit? A while back I was attempting to set up a more modern industrial system, needing 16-bit programs that forced me to use a 32-bit Windows 7 version for compatibility. Recently I stumbled upon a 16-bit installer and it actually installed without issues on my 64-bit Windows machine. Previously, the software would warn about incompatibility with newer Windows versions and suggest contacting the developer for a 64-bit fix. I’m curious when this change occurred and what exactly was updated. I’m compiling this to help my team transition to a supported platform and gather as much detail as possible. Please keep in mind I’m not an IT expert, just trying to assist my colleagues. Thanks!
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Saudi54
12-25-2016, 02:12 PM #1

Has anyone heard when 16-bit application support was made standard in Windows 10 64-bit? A while back I was attempting to set up a more modern industrial system, needing 16-bit programs that forced me to use a 32-bit Windows 7 version for compatibility. Recently I stumbled upon a 16-bit installer and it actually installed without issues on my 64-bit Windows machine. Previously, the software would warn about incompatibility with newer Windows versions and suggest contacting the developer for a 64-bit fix. I’m curious when this change occurred and what exactly was updated. I’m compiling this to help my team transition to a supported platform and gather as much detail as possible. Please keep in mind I’m not an IT expert, just trying to assist my colleagues. Thanks!

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Matzix
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12-25-2016, 02:42 PM
#2
Yes, some SSDs may not perform consistently and there are definitely models that don't function properly.
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Matzix
12-25-2016, 02:42 PM #2

Yes, some SSDs may not perform consistently and there are definitely models that don't function properly.

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dcanuso
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12-25-2016, 03:12 PM
#3
I believe this feature is only accessible on 32-bit versions of Windows 10, specifically NTVDM and 16-bit app support (microsoft.com). It's possible the availability has changed; some reports suggest NTVDM is now supported in 64-bit Windows 10, but I haven't found confirmation. To be sure, confirm you're using a 64-bit edition of Windows 10 and that the installer matches the 16-bit requirement. This isn't necessarily a Windows restriction—since a 64-bit CPU can't run 16-bit, an emulation layer is needed. It seems Microsoft has decided against running NTVDM in WoW64 due to compatibility concerns.
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dcanuso
12-25-2016, 03:12 PM #3

I believe this feature is only accessible on 32-bit versions of Windows 10, specifically NTVDM and 16-bit app support (microsoft.com). It's possible the availability has changed; some reports suggest NTVDM is now supported in 64-bit Windows 10, but I haven't found confirmation. To be sure, confirm you're using a 64-bit edition of Windows 10 and that the installer matches the 16-bit requirement. This isn't necessarily a Windows restriction—since a 64-bit CPU can't run 16-bit, an emulation layer is needed. It seems Microsoft has decided against running NTVDM in WoW64 due to compatibility concerns.

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dillybop
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12-25-2016, 10:55 PM
#4
16-bit functionality was removed after x86 transitioned to 64 bits.
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dillybop
12-25-2016, 10:55 PM #4

16-bit functionality was removed after x86 transitioned to 64 bits.

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terminator578
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12-26-2016, 12:43 AM
#5
Consider using Windows 10 32-bit with caution due to memory limits. Try DOSBox as a free emulator. Look for free tools that simplify automation within it. You might also install a 32-bit version of Windows under a virtual machine and run your older application there. If it's QBasic, you can obtain a 64-bit version from QB64.org to execute on the 16-bit program.
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terminator578
12-26-2016, 12:43 AM #5

Consider using Windows 10 32-bit with caution due to memory limits. Try DOSBox as a free emulator. Look for free tools that simplify automation within it. You might also install a 32-bit version of Windows under a virtual machine and run your older application there. If it's QBasic, you can obtain a 64-bit version from QB64.org to execute on the 16-bit program.

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JR_GAMER07
Posting Freak
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12-26-2016, 01:50 AM
#6
Yes, FreeBASIC is indeed a 32-bit application.
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JR_GAMER07
12-26-2016, 01:50 AM #6

Yes, FreeBASIC is indeed a 32-bit application.

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x2fight
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12-26-2016, 06:05 AM
#7
Qbasic and FreeBasic differ significantly. FreeBasic lacks an integrated editor, and its syntax varies from Qbasic, especially regarding variable declarations. I might have some inaccuracies, though.
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x2fight
12-26-2016, 06:05 AM #7

Qbasic and FreeBasic differ significantly. FreeBasic lacks an integrated editor, and its syntax varies from Qbasic, especially regarding variable declarations. I might have some inaccuracies, though.

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foxmachine99
Junior Member
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12-27-2016, 03:58 AM
#8
They aren't identical.
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foxmachine99
12-27-2016, 03:58 AM #8

They aren't identical.

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yArthur
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12-28-2016, 07:49 AM
#9
It depends on the version being used. In theory, 32/64-bit versions should support more memory, though practical limits still apply. Some projects might use a 64-bit compiler even if they only need 32-bit code. I managed large arrays without worrying about memory limits, but I didn’t always check how much space was being used.
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yArthur
12-28-2016, 07:49 AM #9

It depends on the version being used. In theory, 32/64-bit versions should support more memory, though practical limits still apply. Some projects might use a 64-bit compiler even if they only need 32-bit code. I managed large arrays without worrying about memory limits, but I didn’t always check how much space was being used.

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DSG_Flynx
Junior Member
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12-28-2016, 12:55 PM
#10
It was recently noted that the FreeBASIC Compiler supported only 32-bit architecture.
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DSG_Flynx
12-28-2016, 12:55 PM #10

It was recently noted that the FreeBASIC Compiler supported only 32-bit architecture.

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