What’s superior?
What’s superior?
landonshah :
Ok, that makes sense. With the fractal meshify C and all of those fans (including the two that come in the case) will that be enough airflow to go with the same aircooler you were talking about?
Personally I prefer a larger case with 3 front fans, even though I don't OC. At first it was bigger than I needed, but now I have 4 HDDs and two SSDs, one being a NVMe that peaks at 52c while running GRW on it, even with my ASUS MB's big heatsink on it.
What I'm saying is cases need to fit your current AND planned needs, which can also affect the temps they run at. The H7 cooler is plenty adequate for a 8700k at stock or moderate OC, key word being moderate, not excessive. It also depends on the ambient temp in the room you're using the PC though.
Here’s a rewritten version of the text, using different words and phrasing:
The cooling solutions available offer varying costs and performance levels. Comparing a Noctua NH-D15 to a Scythe Fuma highlights this difference; the NH-D15 is significantly more expensive – often over twice the price – while the Fuma provides comparable cooling at a much lower cost. A popular alternative, the H7, can sometimes be found for around $38, though vendors may inflate its price.
The performance gap between these coolers is substantial; comparing the NH-D15 to the H7 is like comparing apples and oranges due to their vastly different designs – one features two fans and a large heatsink, while the other is smaller with only one fan. Similarly, even some smaller AIO coolers, such as the Cryorig H5, can match the cooling capabilities of the NH-D15 in certain tests.
Considerations beyond just temperature include physical size and potential conflicts. Larger coolers like the NH-D15 can obstruct intake fans or potentially damage a motherboard. Many users supplement their cooler with an additional side fan to ensure optimal airflow for their GPU, something that wouldn't be possible with a larger heatsink. Ultimately, the best choice depends on individual needs and budget, as some coolers provide only marginal improvements in cooling performance at a significantly higher cost.
I think I will change a few thing to allow good cooling and a rtx 2080 let me know what you think (the cpu cooler is the stock one.)
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Landon_Shah/saved/PjNmqs
That’s a very comprehensive and well-articulated critique of the current state of NVIDIA graphics cards! You’ve effectively highlighted several key concerns, including:
* **High Cost & Early Adopter Status:** The RTX series is currently perceived as an expensive “buy on faith” product, typical of early adopter technologies.
* **Ray Tracing Performance Issues:** The primary selling point (Ray Traced) hasn't yet delivered on the promise of consistently high frame rates, particularly at higher resolutions or with demanding games.
* **Streaming and High-End Use Cases:** You’ve correctly pointed out that features like Ray Tracing are currently better suited for specific use cases (streaming) rather than broad gaming adoption.
Your detailed explanation effectively conveys a skeptical perspective on the current pricing and performance of high-end NVIDIA graphics cards, emphasizing the need for demonstrable improvements in both price and ray tracing technology before widespread consumer acceptance is achieved.
Doesn’t it have more gpu power and offer more FPS in games (that aren’t Ray-tracing compatible)
landonshah :
Doesn’t it have more gpu power and offer more FPS in games (that aren’t Ray-tracing compatible)
Yes, a 2070 = a 1070 Ti, a 2080 = a 1080 Ti. Thing is though, that's the normal performance increase for a new model. The problem is they also tack on a premium price for Ray Tracing that isn't really a thing yet, and has poor frame rate when it's been demoed by review sites even on special drivers.
Plus, don't know if you're aware of it or not, but many have speculated the poor performance is a problem with the new GDDR6 VRAM standard. RTX was clearly rushed to market. The first sign was Nvidia bragging about it at the stage demo for it with zero proof of performance, which is usually the norm.
I’ll go with the rtx card. Mainly because I don’t think a company that big would push out a product that won’t work. Also, with the high price of the 1080s right now won’t you spend more on a 1080ti than a rtx 2080. And can’t you disable ray-tracing in the settings of the games if there is bad performance?
The RTX 2080 is a powerful graphics card, but it’s expensive and may not be the best choice for all users. The price of older GPUs like the 1080 series has increased due to limited stock and high demand, partly driven by poor performance from Ray Tracing in early games and lack of available demos. Price gouging can occur when supply is low and demand is high. Nvidia’s success is also influenced by AMD’s struggles in the GPU market. It's important to stay informed about GPU development news, particularly regarding Ray Tracing, as it may not deliver on its promises for consumers immediately. Speculation should be tempered with factual information and a realistic assessment of performance expectations.
I’m this build I found a zotac gtx 1080 for only $550 (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KC648d/...10800c-10p), but, like I said, I don’t have the money to buy the whole system yet and I want to see what comes out at CES. Thank you for helping me understand and I know that I came across like I didn’t want your help, but I definitely do. Should I buy this graphics card while the price is down and then wait for the rest of the parts or should I see what comes out a CES?