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Top mATX/ITX boards compatible with Zen 6 and 10950X3D.

Top mATX/ITX boards compatible with Zen 6 and 10950X3D.

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superchache39
Junior Member
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07-28-2022, 05:33 AM
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I might consider upgrading my computer to a 9950X3D within the next six months. I’m open to spending up to $500 on a top-tier motherboard, hoping it supports Zen 6 and offers strong overclocking potential. If I were to target an upcoming high-end CPU, I’d likely need an X670, X670E, X870 or X870E platform. I’m leaning toward an mATX/ITX design because I plan to fit an RTX 5090 into a LianLi A3 case. At the moment, my local microcenter has two choices: the Gigabyte X870I AORUS PRO ICE AMD AM5 Mini-ITX ($299) and the ASUS X870-I ROG STRIX GAMING WIFI AMD AM5 Mini-ITX ($480). I’m comfortable with just two RAM slots since I won’t exceed 64GB, and I don’t foresee needing more than 96GB. Are these the best fits for my needs? Also, I understand there’s no certainty Zen 6 will be available on any particular board, but we’ve only seen AM5 chipsets so far. My concern is that a shift to Zen 6 might limit compatibility, though I’m not sure how significant that would be. The 10950X3D is especially attractive because rumors suggest it includes X3D on both dies, with each die offering 10 cores instead of the usual 8. This could affect support for older boards, which is something I’m curious about.
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superchache39
07-28-2022, 05:33 AM #1

I might consider upgrading my computer to a 9950X3D within the next six months. I’m open to spending up to $500 on a top-tier motherboard, hoping it supports Zen 6 and offers strong overclocking potential. If I were to target an upcoming high-end CPU, I’d likely need an X670, X670E, X870 or X870E platform. I’m leaning toward an mATX/ITX design because I plan to fit an RTX 5090 into a LianLi A3 case. At the moment, my local microcenter has two choices: the Gigabyte X870I AORUS PRO ICE AMD AM5 Mini-ITX ($299) and the ASUS X870-I ROG STRIX GAMING WIFI AMD AM5 Mini-ITX ($480). I’m comfortable with just two RAM slots since I won’t exceed 64GB, and I don’t foresee needing more than 96GB. Are these the best fits for my needs? Also, I understand there’s no certainty Zen 6 will be available on any particular board, but we’ve only seen AM5 chipsets so far. My concern is that a shift to Zen 6 might limit compatibility, though I’m not sure how significant that would be. The 10950X3D is especially attractive because rumors suggest it includes X3D on both dies, with each die offering 10 cores instead of the usual 8. This could affect support for older boards, which is something I’m curious about.

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mistercraft77
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07-28-2022, 01:53 PM
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They're all going to be fine, and B650 will be able to run 10950X3D most likely. Don't need a $500 motherboard for that at all.
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mistercraft77
07-28-2022, 01:53 PM #2

They're all going to be fine, and B650 will be able to run 10950X3D most likely. Don't need a $500 motherboard for that at all.

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cooper8161
Junior Member
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07-29-2022, 11:06 PM
#3
This setup tends to be quite noisy from the M.2 fan, especially since it only has one M.2 slot and just two SATA ports. My B550M-ITX/AC model, which I acquired for over half of this board, usually comes with double Gigabyte X870i chips. While it's not a huge change, if you're using this as your primary machine and dealing with heavy editing or large file management, you might need additional SSDs or even bigger HDDs. If you do have storage drives, it's likely you also have multiple ones. I also believe the input/output capacity is quite limited. I recently got an MSI B650M-a Wi-Fi, which offers many more USB A ports and display outputs for the iGPU. However, since you're probably getting a 9950X3D, it's likely you'll need a suitable GPU to pair with it, ensuring sufficient display connections. My mistake was not noticing the USB-C display port. It's definitely more challenging to fit that on such a compact board, but for double the cost, IO performance should be adequate.

It still supports USB 2 while my current B650M-A Wi-Fi doesn't (given it's a very new model and X870). This board lacks much functionality. No built-in audio? And it uses proprietary hardware? I advise steering clear. As mentioned, many complain about the included audio solution for this board—definitely avoid it. Everyone is right to be concerned about the internal design; according to the review, opt for a B850 board instead.

B boards have plenty of VRMs to handle top-tier Ryzen chips. Some temperatures are impressive (one B650i stayed under 70°C after intensive testing). Speaking of B850s, here are some pros and cons:

- AsRock B850I Lightning WiFi Mini ITX AM5: Newest 'budget' option with two M.2 slots, PCIe Gen 5 support, and solid VRMs. Good for performance and value.
- Gigabyte B850I AORUS PRO Mini ITX AM5: Excellent I/O, robust VRMs, USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports, and a temperature sensor that can adjust fans.
- Asus ROG STRIX B850-I GAMING WIFI: High-end features, impressive VRMs, and onboard audio—though not ideal for budget builds.
- Asrock Pros: Affordable, decent VRMs, PCIe Gen 5, USB 2 support, and a temperature sensor. Good value for its price.
- Asrock Cons: Limited I/O, many USB 2 ports, single system fan header, and no Bluetooth 5.2.

PCPartPicker highlights these points, noting the board's strengths in VRMs and size, but also its weaknesses in I/O and connectivity.

Wifi 6E is available on this model compared to Wifi 7 on the other boards, which is a minor advantage. Bluetooth 5.2 is supported, though older boards like this typically have BT 5.4.

Overall, this board offers decent performance for its price, especially with the VRMs and compact design. However, if you need high-speed I/O or advanced connectivity, it might not be the best fit. For a more modern experience, consider the B850I Lightning WiFi or similar newer options.
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cooper8161
07-29-2022, 11:06 PM #3

This setup tends to be quite noisy from the M.2 fan, especially since it only has one M.2 slot and just two SATA ports. My B550M-ITX/AC model, which I acquired for over half of this board, usually comes with double Gigabyte X870i chips. While it's not a huge change, if you're using this as your primary machine and dealing with heavy editing or large file management, you might need additional SSDs or even bigger HDDs. If you do have storage drives, it's likely you also have multiple ones. I also believe the input/output capacity is quite limited. I recently got an MSI B650M-a Wi-Fi, which offers many more USB A ports and display outputs for the iGPU. However, since you're probably getting a 9950X3D, it's likely you'll need a suitable GPU to pair with it, ensuring sufficient display connections. My mistake was not noticing the USB-C display port. It's definitely more challenging to fit that on such a compact board, but for double the cost, IO performance should be adequate.

It still supports USB 2 while my current B650M-A Wi-Fi doesn't (given it's a very new model and X870). This board lacks much functionality. No built-in audio? And it uses proprietary hardware? I advise steering clear. As mentioned, many complain about the included audio solution for this board—definitely avoid it. Everyone is right to be concerned about the internal design; according to the review, opt for a B850 board instead.

B boards have plenty of VRMs to handle top-tier Ryzen chips. Some temperatures are impressive (one B650i stayed under 70°C after intensive testing). Speaking of B850s, here are some pros and cons:

- AsRock B850I Lightning WiFi Mini ITX AM5: Newest 'budget' option with two M.2 slots, PCIe Gen 5 support, and solid VRMs. Good for performance and value.
- Gigabyte B850I AORUS PRO Mini ITX AM5: Excellent I/O, robust VRMs, USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports, and a temperature sensor that can adjust fans.
- Asus ROG STRIX B850-I GAMING WIFI: High-end features, impressive VRMs, and onboard audio—though not ideal for budget builds.
- Asrock Pros: Affordable, decent VRMs, PCIe Gen 5, USB 2 support, and a temperature sensor. Good value for its price.
- Asrock Cons: Limited I/O, many USB 2 ports, single system fan header, and no Bluetooth 5.2.

PCPartPicker highlights these points, noting the board's strengths in VRMs and size, but also its weaknesses in I/O and connectivity.

Wifi 6E is available on this model compared to Wifi 7 on the other boards, which is a minor advantage. Bluetooth 5.2 is supported, though older boards like this typically have BT 5.4.

Overall, this board offers decent performance for its price, especially with the VRMs and compact design. However, if you need high-speed I/O or advanced connectivity, it might not be the best fit. For a more modern experience, consider the B850I Lightning WiFi or similar newer options.

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DIPPY91
Member
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08-03-2022, 02:27 AM
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It’s usually enough for a standard board. A 150$ B650 gigabyte ax elite isn’t extra unless it has something special you really need. It works with any Ryzen CPU, offers many expansion options, and supports BIOS flashback when required.
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DIPPY91
08-03-2022, 02:27 AM #4

It’s usually enough for a standard board. A 150$ B650 gigabyte ax elite isn’t extra unless it has something special you really need. It works with any Ryzen CPU, offers many expansion options, and supports BIOS flashback when required.

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noelanixD
Junior Member
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08-03-2022, 09:51 AM
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You might consider an ASUS TUF B650M-PLUS for your needs
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noelanixD
08-03-2022, 09:51 AM #5

You might consider an ASUS TUF B650M-PLUS for your needs

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xMatheusG
Member
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08-24-2022, 07:22 PM
#6
Sure, I missed that gigabyte wasn't the right unit! Nice call—definitely a lesson learned. That board really nailed the point.
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xMatheusG
08-24-2022, 07:22 PM #6

Sure, I missed that gigabyte wasn't the right unit! Nice call—definitely a lesson learned. That board really nailed the point.

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maxpicudo
Junior Member
25
08-31-2022, 08:42 PM
#7
I recently assembled a setup for a friend using a 9900X (12c/24t), 7900 XTX, 1000W PSU, and 360mm AI-O. It required about six hours of work and some NASA-level engineering, but it functions and works fine—just might need a zip tie to keep the pump tubes out of the way of one fan. A key challenge was the thickness of the 7900 XTX; the 5090 will be thinner. I could also upgrade to an SFX PSU for easier handling, and using a single small power cable would simplify cable management. The fans are quite thick, so the 360mm AI-O only has two loosely attached units (the PSU thickness prevents a standard fan from fitting in the third slot). Also, the 5090 with a single cable will help with fitting. One major problem was having to remove the entire GPU and the PSU (cable still attached) if I wanted to add a fan below it or work under the GPU. The CPU stays below 85-90°C during most core loads in my tests, even with two fans fitted loosely. Overall, the build delivers full performance, and if I make it myself, I won’t rush through everything at Microcenter in one day.
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maxpicudo
08-31-2022, 08:42 PM #7

I recently assembled a setup for a friend using a 9900X (12c/24t), 7900 XTX, 1000W PSU, and 360mm AI-O. It required about six hours of work and some NASA-level engineering, but it functions and works fine—just might need a zip tie to keep the pump tubes out of the way of one fan. A key challenge was the thickness of the 7900 XTX; the 5090 will be thinner. I could also upgrade to an SFX PSU for easier handling, and using a single small power cable would simplify cable management. The fans are quite thick, so the 360mm AI-O only has two loosely attached units (the PSU thickness prevents a standard fan from fitting in the third slot). Also, the 5090 with a single cable will help with fitting. One major problem was having to remove the entire GPU and the PSU (cable still attached) if I wanted to add a fan below it or work under the GPU. The CPU stays below 85-90°C during most core loads in my tests, even with two fans fitted loosely. Overall, the build delivers full performance, and if I make it myself, I won’t rush through everything at Microcenter in one day.

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Back2Blaze
Member
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09-02-2022, 03:44 PM
#8
I think you're referring to 9900X? Great effort! What is the cooling solution you're considering? A 360mm radius? What kind of cooling do you expect? You mentioned 240mm should work, but the Arctic LF3 might be a bit bulky. Which 7900 XTX model are you looking at? Also, are you planning an ATX power supply of 1000W? You'll need a PSU with a 12VHPWR connector on it. I'm not sure if any SFX models have that yet, but I have the A850GL PCIe 5 (about 140mm long) which has solid cables and locks inside to keep it secure. Do you know if there are similar options for SFX? How long was the PSU in your friend's setup? Regarding the SFX PSU, it seems the Corsair SF1000 does have a 12VHPWR port (the A850GL has it too). I'm curious about the A3500L—would you consider a thinner one if you used an Arctic Rad in that build? Or would you prefer another SFX model?
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Back2Blaze
09-02-2022, 03:44 PM #8

I think you're referring to 9900X? Great effort! What is the cooling solution you're considering? A 360mm radius? What kind of cooling do you expect? You mentioned 240mm should work, but the Arctic LF3 might be a bit bulky. Which 7900 XTX model are you looking at? Also, are you planning an ATX power supply of 1000W? You'll need a PSU with a 12VHPWR connector on it. I'm not sure if any SFX models have that yet, but I have the A850GL PCIe 5 (about 140mm long) which has solid cables and locks inside to keep it secure. Do you know if there are similar options for SFX? How long was the PSU in your friend's setup? Regarding the SFX PSU, it seems the Corsair SF1000 does have a 12VHPWR port (the A850GL has it too). I'm curious about the A3500L—would you consider a thinner one if you used an Arctic Rad in that build? Or would you prefer another SFX model?

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Mrn3rd
Junior Member
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09-08-2022, 07:37 PM
#9
Yes, it was a 9900X. The 7900 XTX was a big ASUS TUF model, with 3-4 slots, quite similar to my RTX 4080 ASUS TUF. It came with a standard Corsair 1000W PSU that had the 12VHPWR plug by default. We used three or four PCIe power connectors for it, and it only had two window lockup/crashes in the past month—could be random. I probably gave it the same LianLI Galahad Trinity Performance II 360 AiO I use for my 14900K. I plan to get a 5090 in 2-4 months, and after that another 1-3 months if I decide to upgrade fully. Right now, availability and stock aren't important to me.
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Mrn3rd
09-08-2022, 07:37 PM #9

Yes, it was a 9900X. The 7900 XTX was a big ASUS TUF model, with 3-4 slots, quite similar to my RTX 4080 ASUS TUF. It came with a standard Corsair 1000W PSU that had the 12VHPWR plug by default. We used three or four PCIe power connectors for it, and it only had two window lockup/crashes in the past month—could be random. I probably gave it the same LianLI Galahad Trinity Performance II 360 AiO I use for my 14900K. I plan to get a 5090 in 2-4 months, and after that another 1-3 months if I decide to upgrade fully. Right now, availability and stock aren't important to me.

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blueyednick
Member
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09-09-2022, 04:23 AM
#10
The temperatures are really high—boiling water at 100°C. I’m sure it’ll stabilize once the motherboard is ready. I’ve kept the same advice from that thread, and updated my original post with pros and cons for each motherboard plus an overview if you haven’t seen it yet. Also included some Matx options.
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blueyednick
09-09-2022, 04:23 AM #10

The temperatures are really high—boiling water at 100°C. I’m sure it’ll stabilize once the motherboard is ready. I’ve kept the same advice from that thread, and updated my original post with pros and cons for each motherboard plus an overview if you haven’t seen it yet. Also included some Matx options.