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The Windows 10 update might harm your SSD.

The Windows 10 update might harm your SSD.

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Senshi_
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03-22-2016, 01:25 AM
#1
It seems a solid-state drive didn’t require defragmentation since Windows detected it as an SSD during installation and automatically disabled it.
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Senshi_
03-22-2016, 01:25 AM #1

It seems a solid-state drive didn’t require defragmentation since Windows detected it as an SSD during installation and automatically disabled it.

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ko94
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03-22-2016, 04:45 AM
#2
Reformulating the sentence:
Fixing this issue in version 2004 means disabling drive optimization for all drives until it's resolved.
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ko94
03-22-2016, 04:45 AM #2

Reformulating the sentence:
Fixing this issue in version 2004 means disabling drive optimization for all drives until it's resolved.

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bronypower
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03-22-2016, 07:30 AM
#3
@Edward78 you're correct, it's not about defragmenting; it's focused on improving drive performance (for SSDs, the "Optimize" option appears in properties). I don't believe excessive optimization is a problem—it mainly involves sending TRIM commands. If the drive doesn't require trimming, you can keep sending trim requests as many times as needed without any effect. I think the article might be causing unnecessary concern. There could be a bug that sends the optimize command repeatedly, but it shouldn't harm your drive or reduce its lifespan. You can refresh this page up to 30 times per minute for four days, and your processor's life span will decrease by only about 0.00001%.
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bronypower
03-22-2016, 07:30 AM #3

@Edward78 you're correct, it's not about defragmenting; it's focused on improving drive performance (for SSDs, the "Optimize" option appears in properties). I don't believe excessive optimization is a problem—it mainly involves sending TRIM commands. If the drive doesn't require trimming, you can keep sending trim requests as many times as needed without any effect. I think the article might be causing unnecessary concern. There could be a bug that sends the optimize command repeatedly, but it shouldn't harm your drive or reduce its lifespan. You can refresh this page up to 30 times per minute for four days, and your processor's life span will decrease by only about 0.00001%.

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xAlphaLegend
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03-23-2016, 11:31 PM
#4
No problem detected. Microsoft addressed it in earlier Insider builds. The update isn't a top priority for Microsoft right now. I'm unsure why some believe SSDs will wear out... that idea was valid around 2008-09, but they promised to maintain SSD quality after years of use. Those were SATA-II models. There were worries about TLC SSDs being untested and new at the time—some reports showed wear, but it turned out to be a controller issue only affecting Samsung drives, which was resolved with a firmware update. That situation has since been proven reliable for most users, even on older drives. SSDs are actually quite robust. A TLC drive might struggle in a demanding server environment with constant writes, but real-world use shows otherwise. Regular defragmentation won't significantly affect wear, and O&O Defrag includes a special SSD mode. Other tools may follow suit. Sure, defragmenting an SSD is less critical than with HDDs, and its effect is minimal, though it's not entirely unnecessary.
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xAlphaLegend
03-23-2016, 11:31 PM #4

No problem detected. Microsoft addressed it in earlier Insider builds. The update isn't a top priority for Microsoft right now. I'm unsure why some believe SSDs will wear out... that idea was valid around 2008-09, but they promised to maintain SSD quality after years of use. Those were SATA-II models. There were worries about TLC SSDs being untested and new at the time—some reports showed wear, but it turned out to be a controller issue only affecting Samsung drives, which was resolved with a firmware update. That situation has since been proven reliable for most users, even on older drives. SSDs are actually quite robust. A TLC drive might struggle in a demanding server environment with constant writes, but real-world use shows otherwise. Regular defragmentation won't significantly affect wear, and O&O Defrag includes a special SSD mode. Other tools may follow suit. Sure, defragmenting an SSD is less critical than with HDDs, and its effect is minimal, though it's not entirely unnecessary.

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MorielM
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03-25-2016, 05:18 PM
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@GoodBytes: I share most opinions, but here’s a slight adjustment. Samsung (EVO 840) remains a solid storage option, though the manufacturer hasn’t resolved the underlying issue. Initially they introduced a patch meant to help, but their diagnostics misinterpret the fault. Later they dropped a second update that functioned as a workaround—letting the drive rewrite old data to new locations. That effectively marked the end of fixing the EVO 840. I own one unit from this line and it performs well, yet the problem seems rooted in hardware rather than software. I noticed the same pattern with the GoodRam CX400 series, but those models aren’t as widely used, so few people notice.

2. I found some online comparisons of SSD defragmentation tools. In most cases there was no noticeable difference, and any variations were likely due to measurement inaccuracies. While software can offer defrag options, other utilities optimize registry settings too—most of the time these are just marketing tactics, not actual improvements. It feels more like a distraction from the real issue.
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MorielM
03-25-2016, 05:18 PM #5

@GoodBytes: I share most opinions, but here’s a slight adjustment. Samsung (EVO 840) remains a solid storage option, though the manufacturer hasn’t resolved the underlying issue. Initially they introduced a patch meant to help, but their diagnostics misinterpret the fault. Later they dropped a second update that functioned as a workaround—letting the drive rewrite old data to new locations. That effectively marked the end of fixing the EVO 840. I own one unit from this line and it performs well, yet the problem seems rooted in hardware rather than software. I noticed the same pattern with the GoodRam CX400 series, but those models aren’t as widely used, so few people notice.

2. I found some online comparisons of SSD defragmentation tools. In most cases there was no noticeable difference, and any variations were likely due to measurement inaccuracies. While software can offer defrag options, other utilities optimize registry settings too—most of the time these are just marketing tactics, not actual improvements. It feels more like a distraction from the real issue.

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SushiCherry
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03-30-2016, 06:28 AM
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It's really basic. Those with the EVO 840 running on Windows are likely seeing improved performance since most of their data is being refreshed.
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SushiCherry
03-30-2016, 06:28 AM #6

It's really basic. Those with the EVO 840 running on Windows are likely seeing improved performance since most of their data is being refreshed.

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UDK
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03-30-2016, 02:38 PM
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I hope I can fix the issue with GoodRam. Unfortunately, defrag (standard) only updates fragmented data and doesn’t optimize old files; just use the trim command and pay attention to empty cells. To ensure GoodRam matches Samsung EVO840’s problem, I’d image the entire drive and restore it after formatting. System performance improves significantly, though only for roughly two months. Therefore, I suggest using a different drive and the same system after cloning—this has worked smoothly without slowing down for over a year now.
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UDK
03-30-2016, 02:38 PM #7

I hope I can fix the issue with GoodRam. Unfortunately, defrag (standard) only updates fragmented data and doesn’t optimize old files; just use the trim command and pay attention to empty cells. To ensure GoodRam matches Samsung EVO840’s problem, I’d image the entire drive and restore it after formatting. System performance improves significantly, though only for roughly two months. Therefore, I suggest using a different drive and the same system after cloning—this has worked smoothly without slowing down for over a year now.

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Darthum
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04-06-2016, 02:07 PM
#8
True
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Darthum
04-06-2016, 02:07 PM #8

True