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Ryzen works well, but some individuals should reconsider...

Ryzen works well, but some individuals should reconsider...

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Xikam20
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07-25-2018, 10:33 PM
#11
I'm interested in the types of software you use, because AVX-512 options seem limited. Mostly I run programs similar to Prime95 and y-cruncher for overclocking experiments. It's hard to say AMD is capable unless they don't offer it. I'm aware of two manufacturers with AVX-512 support—Intel and another from Via, which I don't recognize. The latter is unlikely to appear in mainstream markets soon. If your system can handle it, you might try increasing core count to compensate. Also, keep in mind that AVX-512 covers many instructions, so performance gains vary depending on the task. It will be available in upcoming consumer CPUs and is part of Intel's lineup. Unless you're ignoring AVX-512 or memory bandwidth, those are significant factors to consider. I don't know your specific needs, but the CCX partitioning can pose a challenge compared to traditional CPUs.
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Xikam20
07-25-2018, 10:33 PM #11

I'm interested in the types of software you use, because AVX-512 options seem limited. Mostly I run programs similar to Prime95 and y-cruncher for overclocking experiments. It's hard to say AMD is capable unless they don't offer it. I'm aware of two manufacturers with AVX-512 support—Intel and another from Via, which I don't recognize. The latter is unlikely to appear in mainstream markets soon. If your system can handle it, you might try increasing core count to compensate. Also, keep in mind that AVX-512 covers many instructions, so performance gains vary depending on the task. It will be available in upcoming consumer CPUs and is part of Intel's lineup. Unless you're ignoring AVX-512 or memory bandwidth, those are significant factors to consider. I don't know your specific needs, but the CCX partitioning can pose a challenge compared to traditional CPUs.

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CooCooTanner
Junior Member
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07-26-2018, 03:42 AM
#12
Which set of tools are you referring to? Not every workload with AVX512 benefits equally from Cascade Lake.
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CooCooTanner
07-26-2018, 03:42 AM #12

Which set of tools are you referring to? Not every workload with AVX512 benefits equally from Cascade Lake.

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CLPSGAMER
Member
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07-26-2018, 04:37 PM
#13
I can understand - earlier I mentioned a suggestion for an AMD build when I wanted to try something new, and at that time I only asked for AMD ideas. Of course there was an Intel person offering suggestions and reacting negatively, but I don’t have a strong preference; both options have their advantages. If someone asks about an Intel build, I follow their request and do the same for AMD so confusion doesn’t happen. If there’s a solid reason to recommend the other, I’ll explain it clearly and provide supporting reasons.
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CLPSGAMER
07-26-2018, 04:37 PM #13

I can understand - earlier I mentioned a suggestion for an AMD build when I wanted to try something new, and at that time I only asked for AMD ideas. Of course there was an Intel person offering suggestions and reacting negatively, but I don’t have a strong preference; both options have their advantages. If someone asks about an Intel build, I follow their request and do the same for AMD so confusion doesn’t happen. If there’s a solid reason to recommend the other, I’ll explain it clearly and provide supporting reasons.

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lucasbazookas
Junior Member
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07-26-2018, 09:18 PM
#14
I'm expecting the actual performance to be lower than 3900X. Hopefully, software will improve and I can run it on a CPU without issues. I'm planning to wait for Cascade Lake X. The 99x0 X CPU feels quite poor. I didn't mean to imply it's about people here. It's just that interacting with those there is much harder than talking to a wall. I'm just venting here to check if others understand or if this is just an internet issue where no one grasps it. Also, some IT folks: do you need a new ultrabook for your work?
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lucasbazookas
07-26-2018, 09:18 PM #14

I'm expecting the actual performance to be lower than 3900X. Hopefully, software will improve and I can run it on a CPU without issues. I'm planning to wait for Cascade Lake X. The 99x0 X CPU feels quite poor. I didn't mean to imply it's about people here. It's just that interacting with those there is much harder than talking to a wall. I'm just venting here to check if others understand or if this is just an internet issue where no one grasps it. Also, some IT folks: do you need a new ultrabook for your work?

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CfuntimeMC
Member
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07-27-2018, 04:40 AM
#15
I thought I confused something from the term I heard before. That’s mine. Looking at the benchmarks I found, it looks like throwing cores helps in certain cases. Yeah, though I was mainly talking about consumer socket CPUs. I did notice IceLake had it too.
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CfuntimeMC
07-27-2018, 04:40 AM #15

I thought I confused something from the term I heard before. That’s mine. Looking at the benchmarks I found, it looks like throwing cores helps in certain cases. Yeah, though I was mainly talking about consumer socket CPUs. I did notice IceLake had it too.

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DantehIsGay
Posting Freak
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08-01-2018, 07:49 AM
#16
A major problem I see with tech forums is they don't have any empathy. That is, they think their use case is the only use case and therefore, you're wrong if you don't line up with their use case. They try to steer people towards how they would want to tackle the system rather than work with what OP wants. I mean, there are times and places for that, but it seems like few people know when to actually do that. People's use cases and experiences are their own and only their own. The sooner others understand this, the better off we'll all be.
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DantehIsGay
08-01-2018, 07:49 AM #16

A major problem I see with tech forums is they don't have any empathy. That is, they think their use case is the only use case and therefore, you're wrong if you don't line up with their use case. They try to steer people towards how they would want to tackle the system rather than work with what OP wants. I mean, there are times and places for that, but it seems like few people know when to actually do that. People's use cases and experiences are their own and only their own. The sooner others understand this, the better off we'll all be.

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HeatherHannah
Member
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08-02-2018, 11:29 PM
#17
Everyone is eager for a completely new direction from Intel in the consumer desktop market. It's hard to wait, especially since the upcoming generation isn't anticipated to be that innovative.
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HeatherHannah
08-02-2018, 11:29 PM #17

Everyone is eager for a completely new direction from Intel in the consumer desktop market. It's hard to wait, especially since the upcoming generation isn't anticipated to be that innovative.

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X_Ry
Junior Member
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08-23-2018, 03:19 PM
#18
they have interesting updates, but everything looks tailored for mobile or servers.
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X_Ry
08-23-2018, 03:19 PM #18

they have interesting updates, but everything looks tailored for mobile or servers.

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deccam
Member
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08-23-2018, 11:26 PM
#19
It might be shifting focus away from the current discussion. I’m counting on a more extensive HEDT update tied to the 10nm server components later this year.
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deccam
08-23-2018, 11:26 PM #19

It might be shifting focus away from the current discussion. I’m counting on a more extensive HEDT update tied to the 10nm server components later this year.

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RastaLoks
Junior Member
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08-24-2018, 12:30 AM
#20
I've been using Intel for a long time, and I'm impressed by AMD's progress lately. I aim to stay neutral and don't have strong brand attachment. I own products from both brands, but I'm also aware of how passionate AMD fans can be right now—much more intense than Intel fans used to be. It's almost like a group dynamic. Still, this isn't everyone's opinion, and both sides have good and bad members. Blind loyalty without understanding is foolish.

P.S.: Fun fact—excluding wireless adapters and motherboard choices, I have more discrete AMD items than Intel ones.
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RastaLoks
08-24-2018, 12:30 AM #20

I've been using Intel for a long time, and I'm impressed by AMD's progress lately. I aim to stay neutral and don't have strong brand attachment. I own products from both brands, but I'm also aware of how passionate AMD fans can be right now—much more intense than Intel fans used to be. It's almost like a group dynamic. Still, this isn't everyone's opinion, and both sides have good and bad members. Blind loyalty without understanding is foolish.

P.S.: Fun fact—excluding wireless adapters and motherboard choices, I have more discrete AMD items than Intel ones.

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