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Router positioned beside another router without using double NAT

Router positioned beside another router without using double NAT

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Kandy_
Junior Member
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12-10-2023, 12:49 AM
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Hello everyone, my query concerns configuring a router in front of another router. Reason: The ISP router is essentially a black box and I can't modify it. This setup combines two modems—one providing an 8Mbit wired connection and the other a 22Mbit LTE wireless link. Details: I cannot disable DHCP or set a preferred DNS. At least I can create a DMZ and assign static IPs. The idea is to place another router after the black box, manage LAN and WAN, turn off NAT on the second router, enable DHCP there, and use the preferred DNS for my subnet. Would this approach work? I’d prefer to avoid double NAT complications. Please let me know if you need more details or recommendations. Thanks!
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Kandy_
12-10-2023, 12:49 AM #1

Hello everyone, my query concerns configuring a router in front of another router. Reason: The ISP router is essentially a black box and I can't modify it. This setup combines two modems—one providing an 8Mbit wired connection and the other a 22Mbit LTE wireless link. Details: I cannot disable DHCP or set a preferred DNS. At least I can create a DMZ and assign static IPs. The idea is to place another router after the black box, manage LAN and WAN, turn off NAT on the second router, enable DHCP there, and use the preferred DNS for my subnet. Would this approach work? I’d prefer to avoid double NAT complications. Please let me know if you need more details or recommendations. Thanks!

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Electricwhammy
Junior Member
38
12-11-2023, 02:40 PM
#2
I faced a problem once where I couldn't establish any link with the other router/modem, regardless of port, cable, or software adjustments. It seems this might not be possible with my devices. This is just a personal experience—no general solutions provided. Hope you find success eventually.
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Electricwhammy
12-11-2023, 02:40 PM #2

I faced a problem once where I couldn't establish any link with the other router/modem, regardless of port, cable, or software adjustments. It seems this might not be possible with my devices. This is just a personal experience—no general solutions provided. Hope you find success eventually.

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KoalaLife
Junior Member
25
12-11-2023, 05:21 PM
#3
It seems DHCP typically needs NAT support to function correctly. The setup might rely on the second router being configured as a DMZ with proper gateway settings. If that's not possible, double-NAT can become complicated because features like UPnP or NAT-PMP won't work without proper configuration. You'd need to manage port forwards between both routers, which isn't ideal but may be necessary given your setup constraints. The main challenge is balancing performance with flexibility, especially if the primary router isn't handling the traffic efficiently.
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KoalaLife
12-11-2023, 05:21 PM #3

It seems DHCP typically needs NAT support to function correctly. The setup might rely on the second router being configured as a DMZ with proper gateway settings. If that's not possible, double-NAT can become complicated because features like UPnP or NAT-PMP won't work without proper configuration. You'd need to manage port forwards between both routers, which isn't ideal but may be necessary given your setup constraints. The main challenge is balancing performance with flexibility, especially if the primary router isn't handling the traffic efficiently.

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andrezin_gamer
Junior Member
13
12-11-2023, 07:05 PM
#4
Sure, I understand. You're planning to proceed in that direction. Your main goals include monitoring, configuring preferred DNS settings for all clients, and similar tasks.
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andrezin_gamer
12-11-2023, 07:05 PM #4

Sure, I understand. You're planning to proceed in that direction. Your main goals include monitoring, configuring preferred DNS settings for all clients, and similar tasks.

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Madi4067
Member
129
12-11-2023, 08:02 PM
#5
Port forwarding becomes more involved with dual-WAN since all connections must use a particular WAN link. You may manage DMZ on both sides, but the active WAN will always apply, so it’s likely you just need it for the main connection.
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Madi4067
12-11-2023, 08:02 PM #5

Port forwarding becomes more involved with dual-WAN since all connections must use a particular WAN link. You may manage DMZ on both sides, but the active WAN will always apply, so it’s likely you just need it for the main connection.

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MarkieMarkMC
Junior Member
2
12-11-2023, 08:14 PM
#6
If you can't attach routes at the beginning of the router, you'll have to double the network.
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MarkieMarkMC
12-11-2023, 08:14 PM #6

If you can't attach routes at the beginning of the router, you'll have to double the network.

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Thepiggy2005
Member
161
12-11-2023, 08:32 PM
#7
Nope
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Thepiggy2005
12-11-2023, 08:32 PM #7

Nope

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Charlie_Gaden
Junior Member
15
12-12-2023, 02:48 AM
#8
You are going to need to have some type of NAT on your first router (Black Box) as you have no other way of routing the internet to your next router Unless the black box supports 1:1 or static Nat then the only way I can see this working is by having NAT. 1:1 or static NAT would be ideal but you will likely need to use standard overload/masquerading NAT to break your public address into a routeable private address that you can pass though to your second router. This shouldn't cause too much trouble other then port forwarding which you would need to do on both routers unless you choose to route from your second router directly to your black box router using either a routing protocol or a static route.
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Charlie_Gaden
12-12-2023, 02:48 AM #8

You are going to need to have some type of NAT on your first router (Black Box) as you have no other way of routing the internet to your next router Unless the black box supports 1:1 or static Nat then the only way I can see this working is by having NAT. 1:1 or static NAT would be ideal but you will likely need to use standard overload/masquerading NAT to break your public address into a routeable private address that you can pass though to your second router. This shouldn't cause too much trouble other then port forwarding which you would need to do on both routers unless you choose to route from your second router directly to your black box router using either a routing protocol or a static route.

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GreenLightFabi
Senior Member
696
12-13-2023, 07:47 PM
#9
I help with ISP matters and know that rental gateways can switch to bridge mode when needed, letting your own router function smoothly. Alternatively, think about purchasing a modem instead.
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GreenLightFabi
12-13-2023, 07:47 PM #9

I help with ISP matters and know that rental gateways can switch to bridge mode when needed, letting your own router function smoothly. Alternatively, think about purchasing a modem instead.

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brubruca123456
Junior Member
47
12-20-2023, 03:40 AM
#10
Avoid using two modems directly into the main router since this requires routing for load balancing or failover when the primary link fails. Alternatively, consider isolating their traffic with VLANs—though this isn’t likely supported on standard ISP routers. It might work if the main router operates in bridge mode and connects the LTE modem to a secondary device, but it seems both connections remain linked to that central unit.
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brubruca123456
12-20-2023, 03:40 AM #10

Avoid using two modems directly into the main router since this requires routing for load balancing or failover when the primary link fails. Alternatively, consider isolating their traffic with VLANs—though this isn’t likely supported on standard ISP routers. It might work if the main router operates in bridge mode and connects the LTE modem to a secondary device, but it seems both connections remain linked to that central unit.

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