OC 1700 performance declined further on the latest cinebench test.
OC 1700 performance declined further on the latest cinebench test.
nobody can achieve 4ghz on a 1700 with the spire seriously, especially under normal temperatures. There are chips that can handle it—some run at 4.0 at 1.315v or less, and I own a 1600X that does 4.0 at 1.275v. So it's definitely doable.
If it was the memory or other instability, it probably would appear at stock speeds as well. It depends—at stock, did he also overclock the memory? When he did, did he use the DOCP profile to ensure memory timings and voltage matched the 3000 setting? If not, the base timings and voltage wouldn’t be sufficient...it might boot, but stability would be unlikely.
I think there are far too many factors to draw conclusions without more details.
I'm testing [email protected] and don't think there are well-binned chips available since I already have one.
At 3.8ghz running at 1.27v, it was reaching 88c after ten minutes of aida64 — that's quite high for me.
Now I'm at 4ghz with sub-70c temps using a Fortis 3 Malik custom; I had to wait seven weeks before they released a bracket (I already had the cooler).
The spire handles 3.8 at full power with an 1700, but it works well at 4ghz with a 1600.
If you're open to keeping temps within what feels reasonable, that's the limit I'd personally accept.
You might have experienced a suboptimal mount... my teammates' 1700 at 4.0 @ 1.315 are only reaching 71c during stress tests, and that's just on the stock cooler. It probably depends on the specific stress test being used. High load testing with OCCT, IBT, or P95 will generate significantly more heat compared to Realbench or AIDA64.
Vellinious :
It doesn't always mean throttling due to high heat results in a lower score. To achieve that low rating, there might be several factors at play. For example, unstable memory overclock could trigger a safe mode boot, leading to performance issues.
He didn't provide enough details for a clear conclusion. That's all I can say.
Michael_734 :
Vellinious :
Doesn't have to be throttling because of high heat to have a lower score. To get that low, you'd think that was the issue, but.....there could be several things contributing. Like, unstable memory overclock causing a safe mode boot, which will cause performance pitfalls.
He really didn't give enough information to make a solid determination. All I'm saying.
changed
cpu core ratio to 40.00
cpu core voltage overide 1.37500
vddsoc voltage override 1.10000
dram voltage to 1.35
thats all i changed because i didnt know what i was doing. with that being said can someone provide a step by step on what changes should be made? noob question
Well, that's a decent start. I'd leave the VDDSOC voltage on auto for now, though.
You'll want to set the AI Overclock Tuner to: DOCP Standard. That sets the memory to run at it's target frequency and automatically set the timings. Then you'll want to go in to External Digi+ Power Control, and experiment with your LLC settings. I'd suggest:
CPU Load Line Calibration: level 3
CPU Current Capability: 120%
CPU Power Phase Control: Optimized
VDDSOC LLC: Level 2
VDDSOC Current Capability: 120%
VDDSOC Power Phase Control: Optimized
CRAM Current Capability: 120%
DRAM Boot Voltage: 1.4
That'll get you started. As for the voltages that you'll need to keep your core stable.....that's up to you to find. Every CPU is different. I gave ya some basic starting points.
I will say, with that CPU and the stock cooler, I'd start at 3.8...find a good voltage and start there. Do a stability test, then see how temps are. If temps are decent, go and and try to move up to 3.9. 4.0 is most likely out of reach for a stock cooler. It's definitely not impossible, but....the odds are against you.
Vellinious :
Michael_734 :
Vellinious :
Doesn't have to be throttling because of high heat to have a lower score. To get that low, you'd think that was the issue, but.....there could be several things contributing. Like, unstable memory overclock causing a safe mode boot, which will cause performance pitfalls.
He really didn't give enough information to make a solid determination. All I'm saying.
changed
cpu core ratio to 40.00
cpu core voltage overide 1.37500
vddsoc voltage override 1.10000
dram voltage to 1.35
thats all i changed because i didnt know what i was doing. with that being said can someone provide a step by step on what changes should be made? noob question
Well, that's a decent start. I'd leave the VDDSOC voltage on auto for now, though.
You'll want to set the AI Overclock Tuner to: DOCP Standard. That sets the memory to run at it's target frequency and automatically set the timings. Then you'll want to go in to External Digi+ Power Control, and experiment with your LLC settings. I'd suggest:
CPU Load Line Calibration: level 3
CPU Current Capability: 120%
CPU Power Phase Control: Optimized
VDDSOC LLC: Level 2
VDDSOC Current Capability: 120%
VDDSOC Power Phase Control: Optimized
CRAM Current Capability: 120%
DRAM Boot Voltage: 1.4
That'll get you started. As for the voltages that you'll need to keep your core stable.....that's up to you to find. Every CPU is different. I gave ya some basic starting points.
I will say, with that CPU and the stock cooler, I'd start at 3.8...find a good voltage and start there. Do a stability test, then see how temps are. If temps are decent, go and and try to move up to 3.9. 4.0 is most likely out of reach for a stock cooler. It's definitely not impossible, but....the odds are against you.
i got the bracket for my aio cooler and its in the comp now. i changed everything that you suggested but i didnt know where cram current capacity and dram boot voltage so i guess you can say i didnt change those. after the changes i ran cinebench and again got a score of 597 cb. what am i missing? on cinebench my ghz says 4.00 but on the ryzen master utility it shows 1.2 ghz i dont understand what im doing wrong...i think i should have stuck with my stock 6700k
Michael_734:
Vellinious :
Michael_734 :
Vellinious :
It's not necessary to be throttled due to high temperatures to achieve a lower score. To reach that level, there might be several factors at play. For instance, an unstable memory overclock could trigger a safe mode boot, leading to performance issues.
He didn't provide enough details for a clear conclusion. That's all I have to say.
changed
cpu core ratio to 40.00
cpu core voltage overide 1.37500
vddsoc voltage override 1.10000
dram voltage to 1.35
That's everything I changed since I wasn't sure what I was doing. Still, could someone walk me through the necessary adjustments step by step? A beginner's question.
Well, it's a solid beginning. You can keep VDDSOC in auto for now.
Set the AI Overclock Tuner to: DOCP Standard. This configures memory to operate at its target speed and auto-adjust timings.
Next, adjust External Digi+ Power Control, then tweak your LLC settings.
Here are my recommendations:
- CPU Load Line Calibration: level 3
- CPU Current Capability: 120%
- CPU Power Phase Control: Optimized
- VDDSOC LLC: Level 2
- VDDSOC Current Capability: 120%
- VDDSOC Power Phase Control: Optimized
- CRAM Current Capability: 120%
- DRAM Boot Voltage: 1.4
That should get you going. As for maintaining stability, it's up to you to determine the right values. Every CPU behaves differently.
I suggest starting with a voltage around 3.8 and testing. If temperatures are stable, try increasing to 3.9. A 4.0 setting is likely out of reach with a standard cooler—it's not impossible, but the chances are low.
I acquired the cooler bracket for my AIO unit, which is now in the catalog. I modified everything you suggested, but I wasn't sure about the Cram current capacity or DRAM boot voltage, so I guess I didn't change those. After applying the changes, I ran Cinebench and still got a score of 597 cpu. What could I be missing? My system reports 4.00 in Cinebench, while Ryzen Master shows 1.2 GHz—I'm confused about what's wrong. Should I have kept my stock 6700K?
Make sure you're using the latest BIOS version and try again. Start with 3.8 or 3.9, find the appropriate voltages, and then aim for 4.0. It can be tough to fine-tune.
It seems your setup might be affected by a bug that many users faced. When the BIOS multiplier was changed, the CPU would revert to 1.2 automatically. According to reports, updating to the newest BIOS versions has resolved this problem for most people.
If updating doesn't help, check this forum for solutions:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1624139/offic...-4ghz-club
Vellinious :
Michael_734 :
Vellinious :
Michael_734 :
Vellinious :
Doesn't have to be throttling because of high heat to have a lower score. To get that low, you'd think that was the issue, but.....there could be several things contributing. Like, unstable memory overclock causing a safe mode boot, which will cause performance pitfalls.
He really didn't give enough information to make a solid determination. All I'm saying.
changed
cpu core ratio to 40.00
cpu core voltage overide 1.37500
vddsoc voltage override 1.10000
dram voltage to 1.35
thats all i changed because i didnt know what i was doing. with that being said can someone provide a step by step on what changes should be made? noob question
Well, that's a decent start. I'd leave the VDDSOC voltage on auto for now, though.
You'll want to set the AI Overclock Tuner to: DOCP Standard. That sets the memory to run at it's target frequency and automatically set the timings. Then you'll want to go in to External Digi+ Power Control, and experiment with your LLC settings. I'd suggest:
CPU Load Line Calibration: level 3
CPU Current Capability: 120%
CPU Power Phase Control: Optimized
VDDSOC LLC: Level 2
VDDSOC Current Capability: 120%
VDDSOC Power Phase Control: Optimized
CRAM Current Capability: 120%
DRAM Boot Voltage: 1.4
That'll get you started. As for the voltages that you'll need to keep your core stable.....that's up to you to find. Every CPU is different. I gave ya some basic starting points.
I will say, with that CPU and the stock cooler, I'd start at 3.8...find a good voltage and start there. Do a stability test, then see how temps are. If temps are decent, go and and try to move up to 3.9. 4.0 is most likely out of reach for a stock cooler. It's definitely not impossible, but....the odds are against you.
i got the bracket for my aio cooler and its in the comp now. i changed everything that you suggested but i didnt know where cram current capacity and dram boot voltage so i guess you can say i didnt change those. after the changes i ran cinebench and again got a score of 597 cb. what am i missing? on cinebench my ghz says 4.00 but on the ryzen master utility it shows 1.2 ghz i dont understand what im doing wrong...i think i should have stuck with my stock 6700k
Make sure you're running the latest version of the bios and try again. I'd start with 3.8 or 3.9....find the voltages needed for those, and then move to 4.0. It can be difficult to get tuned in.
Sounds like your system may be suffering from the bug that many were experiencing....where as soon as they changed the multiplier in the bios, the CPU would automatically revert to 1.2.... IIRC, updating to the latest bios versions has helped most of the people experiencing this issue.
If updating your bios doesn't work, I'd suggest going to this forum, and see if anybody can tell you what they did to solve the issue.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1624139/offic...-4ghz-club
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Could this be a bad chip, motherboard, or ram? Also when I am using Ryzen Master Utility it did OC to 3.9ghz @ 1.35v and ram at 2400mhz but I have to open that utility every time I want to have that extra performance I guess you can say. I cant be the only one that ran into this issue, am I?