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No X3D Mobile CPUs exist because the technology isn't ready or supported for mobile devices.

No X3D Mobile CPUs exist because the technology isn't ready or supported for mobile devices.

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Lansy_Gamer
Junior Member
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11-16-2017, 08:27 AM
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TL;DR - Laptop processors are being limited by heat, but X3D chips can handle gaming better thanks to extra cache. This could make them great for mobile gaming, yet AMD hasn’t announced any. The "Dragon Range" chips are essentially desktop chips made for laptops, likely to match Intel’s mobile offerings. They run lower clock speeds due to laptop power limits, but Zen 4 performs well under such constraints. However, the 7800X3D needs less power and could deliver strong gaming performance if built for mobile. It seems unlikely AMD will pursue this path since it offers higher margins in mobile markets. Gamers might prefer the speed of a Ryzen 7 7845X3D in a laptop, but why isn’t this happening?
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Lansy_Gamer
11-16-2017, 08:27 AM #1

TL;DR - Laptop processors are being limited by heat, but X3D chips can handle gaming better thanks to extra cache. This could make them great for mobile gaming, yet AMD hasn’t announced any. The "Dragon Range" chips are essentially desktop chips made for laptops, likely to match Intel’s mobile offerings. They run lower clock speeds due to laptop power limits, but Zen 4 performs well under such constraints. However, the 7800X3D needs less power and could deliver strong gaming performance if built for mobile. It seems unlikely AMD will pursue this path since it offers higher margins in mobile markets. Gamers might prefer the speed of a Ryzen 7 7845X3D in a laptop, but why isn’t this happening?

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BlitzLP
Junior Member
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11-16-2017, 08:28 AM
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they would excel excessively. Over-selling laptops would hurt their desktop offerings, making them lack competitiveness. In essence, they risk undermining their own success, similar to how Intel and AMD handled FX and Athlon, and the introduction of the 7900 series.
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BlitzLP
11-16-2017, 08:28 AM #2

they would excel excessively. Over-selling laptops would hurt their desktop offerings, making them lack competitiveness. In essence, they risk undermining their own success, similar to how Intel and AMD handled FX and Athlon, and the introduction of the 7900 series.

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reecedawg
Junior Member
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11-16-2017, 08:28 AM
#3
uhhhh, no. Nothing to do with this. That would make them absolute BANK so if it was a thing they could do, they'd absolutely do it. Laptop CPUs will run hotter than desktop CPUs due to the nature of laptops and have no space for good coolers. The 3D V-Cache doesn't like extra power or heat. So I suspect there'd be an unreasonable level of RMA issues happening if they tried that, and that's bad for business.
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reecedawg
11-16-2017, 08:28 AM #3

uhhhh, no. Nothing to do with this. That would make them absolute BANK so if it was a thing they could do, they'd absolutely do it. Laptop CPUs will run hotter than desktop CPUs due to the nature of laptops and have no space for good coolers. The 3D V-Cache doesn't like extra power or heat. So I suspect there'd be an unreasonable level of RMA issues happening if they tried that, and that's bad for business.

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Dragonfire1965
Junior Member
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11-16-2017, 08:28 AM
#4
Yeah, just a joke.
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Dragonfire1965
11-16-2017, 08:28 AM #4

Yeah, just a joke.

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26645
Junior Member
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11-16-2017, 08:28 AM
#5
It would be interesting to see how it handles 45-65W. This should fit well in larger laptops while still delivering strong performance. There’s no clear evidence AMD tested power limits for desktop chips, but checking that could help verify the claim.
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26645
11-16-2017, 08:28 AM #5

It would be interesting to see how it handles 45-65W. This should fit well in larger laptops while still delivering strong performance. There’s no clear evidence AMD tested power limits for desktop chips, but checking that could help verify the claim.

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KeeversoonBr
Junior Member
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11-16-2017, 08:28 AM
#6
Power levels this high often cause overheating or throttling in most laptops. Even 30W processors usually slow down when under stress.
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KeeversoonBr
11-16-2017, 08:28 AM #6

Power levels this high often cause overheating or throttling in most laptops. Even 30W processors usually slow down when under stress.

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PureMime
Member
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11-16-2017, 08:28 AM
#7
However, my take is about the cache. The bulk of the heat results from having to update more frequently. If the design lowers clock speed to prevent overheating, that effect should lessen in an X3D component.
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PureMime
11-16-2017, 08:28 AM #7

However, my take is about the cache. The bulk of the heat results from having to update more frequently. If the design lowers clock speed to prevent overheating, that effect should lessen in an X3D component.

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A_Sound
Senior Member
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11-16-2017, 08:28 AM
#8
Yes, it still generates 50W of heat even with a 50W CPU.
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A_Sound
11-16-2017, 08:28 AM #8

Yes, it still generates 50W of heat even with a 50W CPU.

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GingerStar045
Junior Member
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11-16-2017, 08:28 AM
#9
The additional room required for the cache is consuming significant area on the chip, which could explain the absence of mobile X3D processors. Also, maintaining temperature would be challenging since heat must pass through the cache layer before reaching the processor effectively.
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GingerStar045
11-16-2017, 08:28 AM #9

The additional room required for the cache is consuming significant area on the chip, which could explain the absence of mobile X3D processors. Also, maintaining temperature would be challenging since heat must pass through the cache layer before reaching the processor effectively.

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redstonersven
Member
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11-16-2017, 08:28 AM
#10
I never intended anything different. Usually I emphasize "heat is heat" and "watts are watts." What I meant was that reducing clock speeds has a smaller effect on performance from a technical standpoint. If it needs to cut to 30W by lowering clocks to 2.5GHz, it won't be as noticeable for frame rates. My main idea is you can run the CPU at lower power without suffering the same performance drop.
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redstonersven
11-16-2017, 08:28 AM #10

I never intended anything different. Usually I emphasize "heat is heat" and "watts are watts." What I meant was that reducing clock speeds has a smaller effect on performance from a technical standpoint. If it needs to cut to 30W by lowering clocks to 2.5GHz, it won't be as noticeable for frame rates. My main idea is you can run the CPU at lower power without suffering the same performance drop.

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