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Interesting options for hot swappable keyboards.

Interesting options for hot swappable keyboards.

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SayNoToNWO
Posting Freak
879
09-07-2024, 11:32 PM
#1
Hi,
I’m looking for a durable keyboard with a Cherry MX switch clone that lasts around four months before failing. I need something fully compatible (104), preferably with a layout similar to what I’m used to, but at a lower price. It should last me the rest of my life, ideally between 80 to 90 months, but not exceed 80 or 90 months.

I’ve tried several keyboards from Otemu/Romer G switches that die after two or four months. The TYRFING v2 worked but the switches were poor quality, and the keyboard I’m writing about had broken keycaps. The AOC GK500 is another option, but it has issues with the (A) and (U) buttons.

I just want a fully swappable keyboard so I can replace switches over time and use any retro lighting—preferably RGB, but a single color is fine too. I’m planning to buy from Amazon because it feels more secure there, and I’m happy to be in Italy or Europe.

Thanks for your help!
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SayNoToNWO
09-07-2024, 11:32 PM #1

Hi,
I’m looking for a durable keyboard with a Cherry MX switch clone that lasts around four months before failing. I need something fully compatible (104), preferably with a layout similar to what I’m used to, but at a lower price. It should last me the rest of my life, ideally between 80 to 90 months, but not exceed 80 or 90 months.

I’ve tried several keyboards from Otemu/Romer G switches that die after two or four months. The TYRFING v2 worked but the switches were poor quality, and the keyboard I’m writing about had broken keycaps. The AOC GK500 is another option, but it has issues with the (A) and (U) buttons.

I just want a fully swappable keyboard so I can replace switches over time and use any retro lighting—preferably RGB, but a single color is fine too. I’m planning to buy from Amazon because it feels more secure there, and I’m happy to be in Italy or Europe.

Thanks for your help!

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LorrenK
Senior Member
703
09-08-2024, 06:17 AM
#2
Many of the Cherry MX based keyboards you seem to have trouble with are very much repairable. They aren't hot-swappable though, just need to have the deck opened so you can replace a whole key. Sometimes they are soldered on, sometimes they are just held down by the deck and are in sockets.
There is a whole world of custom mechanical keyboards. Not sure where you should start, but you should know the cost of entry is generally very high.
Here are some off the shelf ones to consider.
The best hot-swappable keyboard in 2023: all the top customizable decks compared
The best switch-swappers out there - for any budget
www.gamesradar.com
And build it yourself style ones:
DIY KIT
Build your own mechanical keyboard, starting here!
kbdfans.com
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LorrenK
09-08-2024, 06:17 AM #2

Many of the Cherry MX based keyboards you seem to have trouble with are very much repairable. They aren't hot-swappable though, just need to have the deck opened so you can replace a whole key. Sometimes they are soldered on, sometimes they are just held down by the deck and are in sockets.
There is a whole world of custom mechanical keyboards. Not sure where you should start, but you should know the cost of entry is generally very high.
Here are some off the shelf ones to consider.
The best hot-swappable keyboard in 2023: all the top customizable decks compared
The best switch-swappers out there - for any budget
www.gamesradar.com
And build it yourself style ones:
DIY KIT
Build your own mechanical keyboard, starting here!
kbdfans.com

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Cokkie77
Senior Member
556
09-11-2024, 11:04 AM
#3
Sadly, very few items are now built to endure indefinitely. Even if they claim otherwise, this is often compromised by subpar materials and the manufacturing methods used. With minimal or absent quality checks, the situation becomes even more problematic. Records (when available) are usually poorly documented and difficult to understand. Numerous confusing warnings and restrictions are included.

Money is often directed toward flashy marketing about product excellence, paired with extensive fine print. The prevailing direction favors replacement over repair and reuse—clearly a wasteful approach.

Designs that are meant for end-of-life disposal can be easily modified today, making longevity difficult to achieve. Some items may last longer if cared for properly, but even industrial-grade keyboards can fail due to various issues.

I own a keyboard that’s been around for 50 years and still works fine. Newer models, however, tend to break after just a few uses—sometimes even with a simple "quick change" drill bit.

Even high-quality products can degrade over time or become defective, sometimes after minimal use. To make matters worse, I’m left with limited guidance on what to look for.

If you’re seeking a solution, I recommend further research. Check recent reviews, user manuals, forums, and FAQs. Focus not only on explicit advice but also on the unspoken details.

Also, consider whether a more affordable option is truly worth it. The prices I’ve seen range from 40+ to 80/90 Euros. I assume these refer to the Euro currency, but I don’t have a clear idea of typical costs in Europe. I’ll rely on others who know more about keyboard pricing.

Keep in mind that interchangeable keys or switches can increase long-term expenses, especially if they become unavailable and prices rise. Be cautious of "compatible" claims—they often add unnecessary complexity.

Simplify your expectations to what truly matters and proceed from there. Let appearance not overshadow performance. The ideal keyboard should feel natural under your hand, work reliably, and endure without issues if treated properly. It must support all 104 keys and remain functional in harsh conditions. A keyboard that’s merely attractive with a limited color palette won’t meet these needs.

This is my perspective on the situation.
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Cokkie77
09-11-2024, 11:04 AM #3

Sadly, very few items are now built to endure indefinitely. Even if they claim otherwise, this is often compromised by subpar materials and the manufacturing methods used. With minimal or absent quality checks, the situation becomes even more problematic. Records (when available) are usually poorly documented and difficult to understand. Numerous confusing warnings and restrictions are included.

Money is often directed toward flashy marketing about product excellence, paired with extensive fine print. The prevailing direction favors replacement over repair and reuse—clearly a wasteful approach.

Designs that are meant for end-of-life disposal can be easily modified today, making longevity difficult to achieve. Some items may last longer if cared for properly, but even industrial-grade keyboards can fail due to various issues.

I own a keyboard that’s been around for 50 years and still works fine. Newer models, however, tend to break after just a few uses—sometimes even with a simple "quick change" drill bit.

Even high-quality products can degrade over time or become defective, sometimes after minimal use. To make matters worse, I’m left with limited guidance on what to look for.

If you’re seeking a solution, I recommend further research. Check recent reviews, user manuals, forums, and FAQs. Focus not only on explicit advice but also on the unspoken details.

Also, consider whether a more affordable option is truly worth it. The prices I’ve seen range from 40+ to 80/90 Euros. I assume these refer to the Euro currency, but I don’t have a clear idea of typical costs in Europe. I’ll rely on others who know more about keyboard pricing.

Keep in mind that interchangeable keys or switches can increase long-term expenses, especially if they become unavailable and prices rise. Be cautious of "compatible" claims—they often add unnecessary complexity.

Simplify your expectations to what truly matters and proceed from there. Let appearance not overshadow performance. The ideal keyboard should feel natural under your hand, work reliably, and endure without issues if treated properly. It must support all 104 keys and remain functional in harsh conditions. A keyboard that’s merely attractive with a limited color palette won’t meet these needs.

This is my perspective on the situation.

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HarryZoe
Member
62
09-12-2024, 11:23 PM
#4
Well, thank you for the answer, but I feel you went a bit too far in being literal. What I really meant was that I'm looking for a keyboard that won't break after about two months or a year, and I was thinking about something lasting five years.

For the switches, AliExpress has around 200 available for just 10e, which seems quite affordable.

Anyway, I don’t know the exact models yet, so I can't really search for reviews. I was hoping to find someone who knows about certain models.

Backlights aren't about style, but about visibility when writing at night—just for that purpose.
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HarryZoe
09-12-2024, 11:23 PM #4

Well, thank you for the answer, but I feel you went a bit too far in being literal. What I really meant was that I'm looking for a keyboard that won't break after about two months or a year, and I was thinking about something lasting five years.

For the switches, AliExpress has around 200 available for just 10e, which seems quite affordable.

Anyway, I don’t know the exact models yet, so I can't really search for reviews. I was hoping to find someone who knows about certain models.

Backlights aren't about style, but about visibility when writing at night—just for that purpose.

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Echo_Runner
Member
215
09-15-2024, 12:30 PM
#5
I'm still using keyboards from six years ago when I got my secondary PC. My main PC has been running for just over two years with daily use (12 plus hours a day, working from home so I never leave the office). Be mindful of what you purchase, cheap imitations are just that—cheap—and imitations.
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Echo_Runner
09-15-2024, 12:30 PM #5

I'm still using keyboards from six years ago when I got my secondary PC. My main PC has been running for just over two years with daily use (12 plus hours a day, working from home so I never leave the office). Be mindful of what you purchase, cheap imitations are just that—cheap—and imitations.

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ywo_
Junior Member
6
10-04-2024, 06:20 AM
#6
I use touch typing and don’t always rely on lighting.
For five years it might seem more like a warranty situation than actual use.
Most warranties have many restrictions in the fine print.
The idea of a cheap keyboard being helpful is true, but it’s often judged differently.
Replacing the switches could be a smart economic or practical choice, though only you can judge that.
Additionally, there might be others in this discussion who prefer different options.
Or we could suggest more precise keyboard models.
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ywo_
10-04-2024, 06:20 AM #6

I use touch typing and don’t always rely on lighting.
For five years it might seem more like a warranty situation than actual use.
Most warranties have many restrictions in the fine print.
The idea of a cheap keyboard being helpful is true, but it’s often judged differently.
Replacing the switches could be a smart economic or practical choice, though only you can judge that.
Additionally, there might be others in this discussion who prefer different options.
Or we could suggest more precise keyboard models.

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jeppespeedway
Junior Member
12
10-06-2024, 09:07 PM
#7
Many of the Cherry MX based keyboards you seem to have trouble with are very much repairable. They aren't hot-swappable though, just need to have the deck opened so you can replace a whole key. Sometimes they are soldered on, sometimes they are just held down by the deck and are in sockets.
There is a whole world of custom mechanical keyboards. Not sure where you should start, but you should know the cost of entry is generally very high.
Here are some off the shelf ones to consider.
The best hot-swappable keyboard in 2023: all the top customizable decks compared
The best switch-swappers out there - for any budget
www.gamesradar.com
And build it yourself style ones:
DIY KIT
Build your own mechanical keyboard, starting here!
kbdfans.com
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jeppespeedway
10-06-2024, 09:07 PM #7

Many of the Cherry MX based keyboards you seem to have trouble with are very much repairable. They aren't hot-swappable though, just need to have the deck opened so you can replace a whole key. Sometimes they are soldered on, sometimes they are just held down by the deck and are in sockets.
There is a whole world of custom mechanical keyboards. Not sure where you should start, but you should know the cost of entry is generally very high.
Here are some off the shelf ones to consider.
The best hot-swappable keyboard in 2023: all the top customizable decks compared
The best switch-swappers out there - for any budget
www.gamesradar.com
And build it yourself style ones:
DIY KIT
Build your own mechanical keyboard, starting here!
kbdfans.com

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B3NP
Member
172
10-09-2024, 11:43 AM
#8
Your budget will play a crucial role, since my previous keyboard was near $300 without keycaps and switches, making it quite expensive. There are choices under $100 that are still worth considering.
It seems you're interested in a 100% keyboard layout, rather than lower percentages like 75%, 80%, or 96%. This helps narrow your options when you decide to go all-in on a keyboard.
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B3NP
10-09-2024, 11:43 AM #8

Your budget will play a crucial role, since my previous keyboard was near $300 without keycaps and switches, making it quite expensive. There are choices under $100 that are still worth considering.
It seems you're interested in a 100% keyboard layout, rather than lower percentages like 75%, 80%, or 96%. This helps narrow your options when you decide to go all-in on a keyboard.

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BlinOk
Junior Member
14
10-09-2024, 01:32 PM
#9
It's best to visit a store and try the feel of candidate keyboards yourself.
If that isn't feasible, some review sites might offer helpful advice.
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BlinOk
10-09-2024, 01:32 PM #9

It's best to visit a store and try the feel of candidate keyboards yourself.
If that isn't feasible, some review sites might offer helpful advice.

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Garrett4000
Junior Member
10
10-09-2024, 04:22 PM
#10
Take note that I tend to use my keyboards quite a bit.
It seems unlikely this is realistic.
With the Romer G keyboard I've had (three G810 models), each switch has survived at least two years of heavy use. The last one I owned lasted three years before I passed it on to my nephew, who has now used it for two years without any issues. The other two I owned for a few years at home and work, then gave them to friends when the G915 arrived. On one of them, the ESC keycap broke because we took it out and handled it carelessly during reinsertion.
I’m unable to meet your request within the price range you mentioned. The keyboard that matches your needs—switches that are easy to replace—is not available on Amazon. The one I just got offers the most straightforward mechanical switches I’ve tried so far. It’s a Wooting Two HE: Fullsize analog keyboard.
This model features <1ms input response and magnetic Lekker switches that can be adjusted up to 0.1mm for finger brushing sensitivity.
next.wooting.io
I’m currently testing it and might write a review later. Some versions have faulty switches and should be returned for repair as soon as possible, but the one I received appears to be functioning well.
The keyboard that has lasted the longest in my possession was the IBM Model M. It’s quite loud, but it can withstand heavy use. However, it lacks hot-swappable switches. I used it for about ten years and it still worked when I stopped using it.
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Garrett4000
10-09-2024, 04:22 PM #10

Take note that I tend to use my keyboards quite a bit.
It seems unlikely this is realistic.
With the Romer G keyboard I've had (three G810 models), each switch has survived at least two years of heavy use. The last one I owned lasted three years before I passed it on to my nephew, who has now used it for two years without any issues. The other two I owned for a few years at home and work, then gave them to friends when the G915 arrived. On one of them, the ESC keycap broke because we took it out and handled it carelessly during reinsertion.
I’m unable to meet your request within the price range you mentioned. The keyboard that matches your needs—switches that are easy to replace—is not available on Amazon. The one I just got offers the most straightforward mechanical switches I’ve tried so far. It’s a Wooting Two HE: Fullsize analog keyboard.
This model features <1ms input response and magnetic Lekker switches that can be adjusted up to 0.1mm for finger brushing sensitivity.
next.wooting.io
I’m currently testing it and might write a review later. Some versions have faulty switches and should be returned for repair as soon as possible, but the one I received appears to be functioning well.
The keyboard that has lasted the longest in my possession was the IBM Model M. It’s quite loud, but it can withstand heavy use. However, it lacks hot-swappable switches. I used it for about ten years and it still worked when I stopped using it.