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Improved settings on the 5900X outperform manual adjustments!

Improved settings on the 5900X outperform manual adjustments!

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Dephunkpunk_2
Senior Member
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10-28-2020, 06:55 PM
#1
What's up?? Copying this over from my post on reddit . Figured it might be of interest to someone, maybe not.. Whatever I have a 5900X and I'm currently playing with the "Curve Optimizer" and am getting the best results I've seen on my CPU! I'm getting 646 single core and over 8900 muti in r20! A little context.. I thought I was getting the best performance I could without a manual overclock by using custom PBO settings and setting the curve optimizer to negative 10 all core. I couldn't get lower than negative 10 to work for all core. I even tried doing per-core and at first I tried increasing on what I thought were my best cores (through HWInfo).. I tried -15 on a few different ones at different times and it just didn't work for me. I was tired of trying things and gave up for a while.. With a manual 4.7GHz OC I was looking at 8900-9100 (mostly below 9000) in r20 but my single core score would suffer, dropping to ~617 from ~635. I even tried per CCX (or CCD?) overclocking and it just wasn't stable, 4.7GHz all-core seemed to be the best manual OC I could get. Before, I was using the curve optimizer and only PBO and was seeing ~8500 multi and - 625 single which was easy to reproduce. With custom PBO + negative 10 all-core curve optimizer I was just barely getting over 8700 multi and ~635 single (642 was max I've EVER seen and couldn't reproduce it). After adjusting the curve optimizer per core , along with PBO, I was able to get 8950 multi and 646 single in r20. Over 640 is now common. That's nearly as good as a manual OC, I can literally get the same multi core score now AND get higher single core score! That's exactly what I've been working towards! ALL-CORE OVERCLOCKING IS DEAD! I was hitting 5GHz here and there but now I'm hitting over that just ever so slightly AND more often. I'm seeing 5150MHz on one core, 5075MHz on another and 5050MHz on the third one that reaches 5GHz. I've actually seen two of them hit 5150MHz but not sure if was at the same time (probably not). I'm seeing 4850MHz and 4775MHz often on several cores (up to 6) while playing Apex when it use to be 4400-4675MHz. I'm also seeing 5GHz while playing when I've never seen that before while playing Apex. What this translates to actual FPS I have no fucking clue. What did I do? After seeing the thread about PBO2 with the video (didn't watch it) and seeing AMD_Roberts replies, it regained my interest, so I went back to the BIOS to try a couple things.. Instead of sticking to one number for curve optimizer for all core, or just trying to set what I thought were the best cores to lower numbers, I actually started from the bottom, raising each number except for the top 5 (because I tried higher numbers before and failed) and did a lot of testing. I could get the bottom number to 70 but that didn't help much more than 40. Currently, this is what's getting the results above (curve optimizer per-core): Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Seems simple right? Maybe some of you already figured this out, but for those who want to push your CPU a little more, do some testing. Try my numbers. BUT also try testing other numbers and combinations.. Each CPU may work differently. I did eventually try higher numbers again in the top 5 but it resulted in crashes or lower r20 scores. I tried positive numbers here and there, I tried keeping a few cores the same numbers, I tried decreasing in increments from bottom to top. For instance, I tried (from the bottom) 70, 60, 50, 40, 35, 30, 25, 15, 10, 10, 10, 10.. I saw a decrease in performance but it still allowed me to run tests without crashing. This is all kind of weird and new to me. My PBO settings are manually set to: Precision Boost Overdrive: ADVANCED PBO Limits: MOTHERBOARD PBO Scalar: Manual, 5X MAX CPU PBO: 200MHz Platform Thermal Throttle Limit: 255 (max) On MSI you can just set to 'Enhance Level 2' to get this. SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE: before I was playing heavily with the curve optimizer, I found that OCing the RAM, whether increasing frequency or tightening the timings, DECREASED PERFORMANCE (on top of the WHEA errors obviously)!!!! That's why I'm running XMP ONLY at the moment. But after playing with the curve, I might try tweaking it again, but may have to wait for a BIOS update. Not sure. Here's my specs (RAM is running XMP only!): 5900X B550 Gaming Carbon GTX 1080 TI 2x16GB Crucial Ballistix RGB 3600 Cl16 Dual Rank RM850
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Dephunkpunk_2
10-28-2020, 06:55 PM #1

What's up?? Copying this over from my post on reddit . Figured it might be of interest to someone, maybe not.. Whatever I have a 5900X and I'm currently playing with the "Curve Optimizer" and am getting the best results I've seen on my CPU! I'm getting 646 single core and over 8900 muti in r20! A little context.. I thought I was getting the best performance I could without a manual overclock by using custom PBO settings and setting the curve optimizer to negative 10 all core. I couldn't get lower than negative 10 to work for all core. I even tried doing per-core and at first I tried increasing on what I thought were my best cores (through HWInfo).. I tried -15 on a few different ones at different times and it just didn't work for me. I was tired of trying things and gave up for a while.. With a manual 4.7GHz OC I was looking at 8900-9100 (mostly below 9000) in r20 but my single core score would suffer, dropping to ~617 from ~635. I even tried per CCX (or CCD?) overclocking and it just wasn't stable, 4.7GHz all-core seemed to be the best manual OC I could get. Before, I was using the curve optimizer and only PBO and was seeing ~8500 multi and - 625 single which was easy to reproduce. With custom PBO + negative 10 all-core curve optimizer I was just barely getting over 8700 multi and ~635 single (642 was max I've EVER seen and couldn't reproduce it). After adjusting the curve optimizer per core , along with PBO, I was able to get 8950 multi and 646 single in r20. Over 640 is now common. That's nearly as good as a manual OC, I can literally get the same multi core score now AND get higher single core score! That's exactly what I've been working towards! ALL-CORE OVERCLOCKING IS DEAD! I was hitting 5GHz here and there but now I'm hitting over that just ever so slightly AND more often. I'm seeing 5150MHz on one core, 5075MHz on another and 5050MHz on the third one that reaches 5GHz. I've actually seen two of them hit 5150MHz but not sure if was at the same time (probably not). I'm seeing 4850MHz and 4775MHz often on several cores (up to 6) while playing Apex when it use to be 4400-4675MHz. I'm also seeing 5GHz while playing when I've never seen that before while playing Apex. What this translates to actual FPS I have no fucking clue. What did I do? After seeing the thread about PBO2 with the video (didn't watch it) and seeing AMD_Roberts replies, it regained my interest, so I went back to the BIOS to try a couple things.. Instead of sticking to one number for curve optimizer for all core, or just trying to set what I thought were the best cores to lower numbers, I actually started from the bottom, raising each number except for the top 5 (because I tried higher numbers before and failed) and did a lot of testing. I could get the bottom number to 70 but that didn't help much more than 40. Currently, this is what's getting the results above (curve optimizer per-core): Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Seems simple right? Maybe some of you already figured this out, but for those who want to push your CPU a little more, do some testing. Try my numbers. BUT also try testing other numbers and combinations.. Each CPU may work differently. I did eventually try higher numbers again in the top 5 but it resulted in crashes or lower r20 scores. I tried positive numbers here and there, I tried keeping a few cores the same numbers, I tried decreasing in increments from bottom to top. For instance, I tried (from the bottom) 70, 60, 50, 40, 35, 30, 25, 15, 10, 10, 10, 10.. I saw a decrease in performance but it still allowed me to run tests without crashing. This is all kind of weird and new to me. My PBO settings are manually set to: Precision Boost Overdrive: ADVANCED PBO Limits: MOTHERBOARD PBO Scalar: Manual, 5X MAX CPU PBO: 200MHz Platform Thermal Throttle Limit: 255 (max) On MSI you can just set to 'Enhance Level 2' to get this. SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE: before I was playing heavily with the curve optimizer, I found that OCing the RAM, whether increasing frequency or tightening the timings, DECREASED PERFORMANCE (on top of the WHEA errors obviously)!!!! That's why I'm running XMP ONLY at the moment. But after playing with the curve, I might try tweaking it again, but may have to wait for a BIOS update. Not sure. Here's my specs (RAM is running XMP only!): 5900X B550 Gaming Carbon GTX 1080 TI 2x16GB Crucial Ballistix RGB 3600 Cl16 Dual Rank RM850

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sinkurou2
Junior Member
16
11-01-2020, 06:56 PM
#2
Reviewing a few opinions, I saw they scored around the same as this one, just like the standard setting. That’s not what most people experienced with the default version or when using PBO. It might offer some insight, but it could also be misleading.
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sinkurou2
11-01-2020, 06:56 PM #2

Reviewing a few opinions, I saw they scored around the same as this one, just like the standard setting. That’s not what most people experienced with the default version or when using PBO. It might offer some insight, but it could also be misleading.

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__PELU__
Member
152
11-02-2020, 01:54 AM
#3
Yes, I can help with that.
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__PELU__
11-02-2020, 01:54 AM #3

Yes, I can help with that.

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kerem_
Member
204
11-02-2020, 03:40 AM
#4
No. JK. give me a minute
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kerem_
11-02-2020, 03:40 AM #4

No. JK. give me a minute

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dinoluigi
Member
82
11-03-2020, 12:29 PM
#5
Consider keeping the duration at 10 minutes unless you need a shorter session.
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dinoluigi
11-03-2020, 12:29 PM #5

Consider keeping the duration at 10 minutes unless you need a shorter session.

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RedClanGaming
Member
61
11-05-2020, 01:21 AM
#6
It's acceptable either way
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RedClanGaming
11-05-2020, 01:21 AM #6

It's acceptable either way

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BlueHoles
Junior Member
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11-05-2020, 01:34 AM
#7
Not much data available on r23, but here are some insights.
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BlueHoles
11-05-2020, 01:34 AM #7

Not much data available on r23, but here are some insights.

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fa1sal99
Junior Member
23
11-21-2020, 08:29 PM
#8
A bit above the standard 5900x size.
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fa1sal99
11-21-2020, 08:29 PM #8

A bit above the standard 5900x size.

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LeonardoGame
Member
235
11-29-2020, 06:40 PM
#9
I don't see much improvement compared to what reviewers achieve on their powerful systems. At stock with C R23 I'm getting about 20,500, PBO enabled it's around 21,500, and with these configurations the stable seems to work. Thanks for your feedback. Did you adjust anything after I asked and see better results?
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LeonardoGame
11-29-2020, 06:40 PM #9

I don't see much improvement compared to what reviewers achieve on their powerful systems. At stock with C R23 I'm getting about 20,500, PBO enabled it's around 21,500, and with these configurations the stable seems to work. Thanks for your feedback. Did you adjust anything after I asked and see better results?

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KweeLew
Junior Member
30
11-29-2020, 07:14 PM
#10
It worked for you! I've been less involved lately because I prioritized reliability. The newest BIOS on my MSI B550 is slowing things down and increasing clock speeds, which affects performance. The BIOS update seems to be a factor. I went back to the older version.
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KweeLew
11-29-2020, 07:14 PM #10

It worked for you! I've been less involved lately because I prioritized reliability. The newest BIOS on my MSI B550 is slowing things down and increasing clock speeds, which affects performance. The BIOS update seems to be a factor. I went back to the older version.

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